What’s the team need?

[Metroid]

Biggest team need is MLSE to burn to the ground and have a new start up... You don't think it if it was a leaf player "cheating" like gudas did that it wouldn't be plastered all over media... Then next game refs total f us over anyways. Do I want the Leafs to play rough and tough and border line dirty? Sure . But the Leafs are under the microscope, we're f***ed no matter what we do. Look at all the commotion we got for Murray knocking over a f***ing goalie net...
Our curse is the fact that MLSE/leafs are bigger than the world itself in a way ... Too many people care too much about the leafs.. especially the haters.

It's too hard to just jump ship and pick a new team, im leaf fans for life.. maybe I sound like a nutty conspiracy guy lol. Maybe someone of ya can rationalize for me...
(Don't worry, I don't think the earth is flat, I know birds are real, and there are no lizard people or whatever in center of the earth)

I'm down for change. Hopefully we get to where we all want to.
Go Leafs go!


(This isn't me making excuses for them shutting the bed btw, trade whoever ya need to)

 

[ToneDog]

Feistiness on the top 6. We need some "red mist" to go along with the top end talent
Knies helps, but we need more.

Dubas' attempt to add grit to the top 6 were Foligno and Ritchie. He' been as bad at addressing our left wing as he has our goaltending. The guy is living off the backs of the petit 4 in the regular season. Unfortunately for him and the fans the petit 4 can't hide the warts in the playoffs.

 

[authentic]

it was never a good recipe. Why we didn't trade for a #1D man is a mystery.

And funny enough our problem has also been scoring goals in elimination games not preventing them, weird how that has worked out

If they do something blatant, or course.



Expansion fees are not calculated as HRR, so have no impact on the salary cap.

Did you watch any playoff games against Tampa these past few seasons?

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

The whistles always go away to some degree in the playoffs and that was something that was apparently never in the analytics Dubas was ripping off from whatever nerds the Leafs have on staff.

Seriously. It’s hilarious to hear Leafs fans complain about our opponents doing it when the answer is that we should be doing it.

The Leafs have a built a culture of soft non-aggressive hockey that needs to change

 

[Martin Skoula]

Anyone saying we need more grit must be a bot at this point. We have 1 D that can move the puck and 2 or 3 forwards that can skate it out. Nylander was the only player that could move the puck in the right direction and actually hit the net with any consistency.

But yeah adding Mayfield and Laughton will fix the fact that we can’t score more than 2 goals when it matters.

 

[Gallagbi]

Seriously. It’s hilarious to hear Leafs fans complain about our opponents doing it when the answer is that we should be doing it.

The Leafs have a built a culture of soft non-aggressive hockey that needs to change

Funny how frequently the soft Leafs have been suspended. Maybe its the softer obstruction plays that go uncalled we should master? Something like a pick in Game 7 would never be called...

I think the simple fact is the NHL doesnt have a good standard of officiating and theres a lot of eyes on our games, those two together make for aome pretty terrible officiating.

 

[Bellefour20]

Every year the stars don't show up to score 5 on 5 or on the PP. Get stars who score, the rest of the team is mostly sorted out. Otherwise wait until McDavid's contract expires so he can sign here.

 

[capfit9]

Someone with a different lens to determine the team needs.

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

Funny how frequently the soft Leafs have been suspended. Maybe its the softer obstruction plays that go uncalled we should master? Something like a pick in Game 7 would never be called...

I think the simple fact is the NHL doesnt have a good standard of officiating and theres a lot of eyes on our games, those two together make for aome pretty terrible officiating.

Blaming 7 years of failure on officiating is a loser mentality

 

[Gallagbi]

Blaming 7 years of failure on officiating is a loser mentality

Dont confuse the two.

The team hasnt been good enough to break through. There has been reasons for each loss that doesnt include officiating and in some of these years theyve been a non factor (MTL and CLB series were fine, oddly enough the 2 Covid years)

The officiating we saw the past two years though was pretty questionable. Not even bias, just a really piss poor job of understand situations, calls, lack of judgement. Game 5 was an easy spotlight on those issues.

 

[Dreakmur]

Funny how frequently the soft Leafs have been suspended. Maybe its the softer obstruction plays that go uncalled we should master? Something like a pick in Game 7 would never be called...

I think the simple fact is the NHL doesnt have a good standard of officiating and theres a lot of eyes on our games, those two together make for aome pretty terrible officiating.

Toughness isn’t dishing out cheap shots, which is most often what Leafs are suspended for.

Yes, the leafs should get better at riding the line. If Holl made that same pick less blatant, it doesn’t get called. He gave the referee no choice.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

We need to be able to be comfortable playing hard hockey. Not just the bottom 6 guys but the stars as well. That would require change though and that scares people. I have a bad feeling we make a minimal shift and are back here next May asking the exact same questions.
We should also start keeping the bulk of our picks. 2026 is the next time we have a full bowl of picks.

 

[Gallagbi]

Toughness isn’t dishing out cheap shots, which is most often what Leafs are suspended for.

100% they were cheap shots. So was Maroons hit from behind and the Gudas board after the whistle though. Its a moving target.

Yes, the leafs should get better at riding the line. If Holl made that same pick less blatant, it doesn’t get called. He gave the referee no choice.

The difference isnt the infractions, its the calls. Holl's wasnt more egregious and than the GWG this year. It wasnt more egregious than the blatant picks all throughout that game. You have officials trying to guage impact rather than infractions and it kills them time after time. Holl's big flaw was the second it took to be a scoring chance

 

[Dreakmur]

100% they were cheap shots. So was Maroons hit from behind and the Gudas board after the whistle though. Its a moving target.

I don’t even remember the Maroon hit.

Gudas hit was a borderline minor penalty for boarding. They could have called it, but probably the correct decision to allow it.

The difference isnt the infractions, its the calls. Holl's wasnt more egregious and than the GWG this year. It wasnt more egregious than the blatant picks all throughout that game.

Holl’s wasn’t worse, but it was way more obvious. Nobody even noticed Gudss’ hold until long after the game, but they expected the referee to see it from ice level in real time?

 

[Gallagbi]

I don’t even remember the Maroon hit.

Gudas hit was a borderline minor penalty for boarding. They could have called it, but probably the correct decision to allow it.

An after the whistle board and charge is not "borderline". Its not a clean ignoring how late it was.

Holl’s wasn’t worse, but it was way more obvious. Nobody even noticed Gudss’ hold until long after the game, but they expected the referee to see it from ice level in real time?

Lol, i was at the game and watched Gudas charge up ice, drive the D back and out of position while holding the stick.

Adding i dont believe this is Anti Leafs, i think its a big stage and a low quality of officiating. Its why they allowed the blatant Leafs too many men after the Panthers got away with it seconds earlier. Its why the Leafs were able to change on a blown icing call (why wasnt that at center?). Its why we got away with a high stick at the end of Game 6. Its why they say its intent to blow the play dead on the Rielly review rather than actually using the whistle. Its bad officiating not sure to handle the moment or stage leading to critical impacts.

 

[Gabriel426]

Going to put it here. We need Warriors in the Garden and not Gardeners in a War.
Right now, a lot of our boys are Gardeners not Warriors

 

[Dreakmur]

An after the whistle board and charge is not "borderline". Its not a cleam hit on the whistle, its a blown call.

It was basically at the whistle - within a half second not long enough after to be a factor.

It could have been called boarding due to Kampf being vulnerable.

Lol, i was at the game and watched Gudas charge up ice, drive the D back and out of position while holding the stick.

That’s the subtlety part. Defending players usually go to guys driving the net and often put their sticks on them.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I feel like this is a Wizard of Oz question and all three answers are valid in this order:

1 - heart
2 - courage
3 - brain

 

[Gallagbi]

It was basically at the whistle - within a half second not long enough after to be a factor.

It could have been called boarding due to Kampf being vulnerable.

Its in the second/third whistle of a delayed penalty. Its a late hit on a vulnerable player. Its a charge and boarding.

That’s the subtlety part. Defending players usually go to guys driving the net and often put their sticks on them.

Its an obvious missed call resulting in the GWG. Its a obstruction and holding the stick. Just because you didnt catch it doesnt make it subtle.

And no, thats not how defenders play a 3on2.

 

[ITM]

Any number of things already mentioned — specifically, two players of undeniable toughness who can fight to show up our first game against Florida…who will absolutely annihilate Gudas and Bennett.

“They’re they are boys…Don’t worry about the suspensions, those are on us.”

 

[Dreakmur]

Its in the second/third whistle of a delayed penalty. Its a late hit on a vulnerable player. Its a charge and boarding.

The hit was less then half a second after the first whistle that was not even fully blown with a roaring crowd.

It’s an obvious missed call resulting in the GWG. It’s an obstruction and holding the stick. Just because you didnt catch it doesnt make it subtle.

And no, thats not how defenders play a 3on2.

It’s obvious once you see it, but in real time almost nobody saw it. It was a subtly clever play by Gudas.

You don’t think defending players try to box out players going to the net? You don’t think defending players use their sticks to try to list opposing sticks around the net?

 

[Gallagbi]

The hit was less then half a second after the first whistle that was not even fully blown with a roaring crowd.



It’s obvious once you see it, but in real time almost nobody saw it. It was a subtly clever play by Gudas.

You don’t think defending players try to box out players going to the net? You don’t think defending players use their sticks to try to list opposing sticks around the net?

Last one since we won't agree but you have two illegal plays in that quote. Youre trying to justify how reasonable it is for them to be missed because you didnt see it. That logic wouldnt hold up in any other aspect of the game. You wouldnt do it with a coach on a bad lineup, a player missing a chance, or a GM moving a prospect. Dont use it to justify for an official. Its literally their job to spot infractions. Missing a GWG which is a full ice 3on2 is a horrendous explanation. I saw it live. The people beside me, saw it live, and we're not the standard. They should be better equipped to make that call. So youre basically down to a misjudgement on the impact of the infraction, which is my guess, or missing a blatant play at the focal point of the OT winner. Both suggest a level of incompetence fans shouldnt be happy with. That crew struggled througout the game and i gave a few examples (incredibly, there's even more)

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'm not sure what Samsonov did to deserve to stay.

Granted he had a strong regular season but in the 8 games he finished in the playoffs he allowed 3+ goals 6 times.

Fact is he wasn't very good no matter what anyone says.

And even if he was good, and he wasn't, it may not matter because he got injured and unless I missed it, we don't know what the injury is so you might have to replace him anyway, and no that doesn't mean Joseph Woll with his 10 career games split over 2 seasons becomes the #1.

 

[Ambassador Bridge]

A top offensive defenseman. Reilly is not it.

Need scoring from the blueliners.

 

[nuck]

I'm not sure what Samsonov did to deserve to stay.

Granted he had a strong regular season but in the 8 games he finished in the playoffs he allowed 3+ goals 6 times.

Fact is he wasn't very good no matter what anyone says.

And even if he was good, and he wasn't, it may not matter because he got injured and unless I missed it, we don't know what the injury is so you might have to replace him anyway, and no that doesn't mean Joseph Woll with his 10 career games split over 2 seasons becomes the #1.

Yes Sami did not really cement himself for the future. This team plays pretty good defense most of the time and Campbell and Freddy have had regular season numbers to support that. And then in the playoffs Samsonov was as bad as Jack or Freddy in their final appearances. Is he as good as those 2 at their best? Will he want #1 money and how much term is required to keep him? Will he recreate his regular season or just his playoff.? I really wish they had the guy for another cheap year to sort that out.

Tough decision what to do unless they are willing to bet big on Woll.