Post-Game Talk: Well this is familiar: Jets lose 6-3 to the HelmetPardy guys

[Savagestevo]

Ellerby is better than Pardy IMO, he can skate, Pardy is stronger on the puck. Neither of them belong in a NHL top 6.

Neither does Stuart, really. But I think he seems better than both he and Pardy marginally. He of course should not be in over Trouba, though.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Harper needs to leave early for security reasons.

It was a joke.

 

[WinnipegWinter*]

This team is in a dangerous place.. This could be a prolonged rebuild. If this core doesn't have the capabilty thats 5 years, and then we sell off our assets and patiently wait another 3-6 years for our draft pics to develop. I hope I don't sound outrageous or pessimistic when I say that the playoffs could be an 8+ year wait

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Unless Chevy makes some changes, we essentially have to wait another 2-4 years before we can do that. By that, I mean waiting for his picks to make a difference. What I don't understand is why we can't make the most of what we have.

Well yes, that was essentially my point.

This team is a Jetta trying to drag race with a Carrera. Consistently trying to forecheck with two players deep and force turnovers maybe wasn't a bad strategy in the East, but our personnel really won't allow that style to succeed against the better teams in the West.

You can tell the Blackhawks love playing a team like Winnipeg that will give them next to no pressure between the bluelines.

I thought moving him to wing would be a good idea as well, to take some of the defensive responsiblity out. Still need another center to do that tho.

Frolik has played C at various times in his career, IIRC.

 

[BigZ65]

This team is in a dangerous place.. This could be a prolonged rebuild. If this core doesn't have the capabilty thats 5 years, and then we sell off our assets and patiently wait another 3-6 years for our draft pics to develop. I hope I don't sound outrageous or pessimistic when I say that the playoffs could be an 8+ year wait

Not outrageous to me. Need a lot of things to fall perfectly for this core group to just get into the top 8 in the conference, and a lot of them are locked up for the next half-decade. IMO that's a flawed group that needs some change in the coming off-season, barring a .700 winning percentage for the rest of the season or something crazy. If nothing changes, we're hoping that a bunch of guys in the 18-22 age range slide into the core group sooner rather than later.

End game of the build should be the top half of the conference (top 2-3 in division) and contending for the Cup, last few years of this decade. We're getting to a crossroads where bold moves need to be made, either to acquire some veterans who can pull the team out of mediocrity or go full rebuild.

 

[garret9]

How many people are going to misrepresent what I said in one thread? I said the style of player he is playing with isn't optimal. I didn't say anything about playing 2nd line or 1st line or conga line.

I actually hadn't read your post, only the reply to yours. I was more discussing in general.

However, I really think Scheifele is better off in the AHL and it's more than just chemistry with particular players.


The guy has been severely out shot with all but 2 of his top 9 most common linemates and both have a fairly small sample size (31 min w/ Wheeler and 11min w/ Tangradi)

 

[Positive]

This team is in a dangerous place.. This could be a prolonged rebuild. If this core doesn't have the capabilty thats 5 years, and then we sell off our assets and patiently wait another 3-6 years for our draft pics to develop. I hope I don't sound outrageous or pessimistic when I say that the playoffs could be an 8+ year wait

It is what it is. If we're going to be sports fans, have to realize this could be the harsh reality of your team. Teams can be bad for a long time. We could be the Cleveland Browns of the NHL.

 

[jetkarma*]

Seems to me like the sum of this team is less than the parts.
I feel like on paper we're a better team than we tend to show night in and night out. I'm not sure if its coaching or just the combination of players but something has to change. I don't think we have a contending roster, but I certainly think we should be better.
I fear that we're going to be a mid level team that doesn't make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, and thats unacceptable to me.
Something needs to change. I have little faith that this group with this coaching staff will suddenly improve.

So to be direct you are saying the coach(es) are to blame or a significant portion of the blame goes to them?

Not disagreeing , just wanting to clarify.

 

[Duke749]

Well there you have it folks. A very rude awakening into why Keaton Ellerby is not cut out to be a top 4 defenseman. It's not in the cards now, and likely isn't in the future. He is just not smart enough or talented enough for that. Which is what I and other Kings fans tried to tell you. HORRIAWFUL game by him. 2 goals directly his fault, with countless other turnovers.

Buff's defensive game continues to be underrated, IMO. One thing to note in particular is his communication. He communicates VERY well on the ice, directing traffic and making the right plays happen.

Don't really think Setoguchi deserved the benching. Didn't think anybody but Ladd and Little showed up tonight up front, why was Seto called out?

Harper left early

Glad someone else saw the game the way I did.

Really don't see what Seto did that others didn't.

 

[R3DDRAG0N]

It is what it is. If we're going to be sports fans, have to realize this could be the harsh reality of your team. Teams can be bad for a long time. We could be the Cleveland Browns of the NHL.

Now your just being mean and spiteful

 

[Savagestevo]

I didn't even realize Setoguchi wasn't playing nor did I notice anything he could have done to get benched like he did. Claude Noel makes some very strange coaching decisions.

Not picking up another Center in Free Agency was a huge mistake, assuming Mark Scheifele would play well enough was too much of an assumption.

 

[pucka lucka]

I actually hadn't read your post, only the reply to yours. I was more discussing in general.

However, I really think Scheifele is better off in the AHL and it's more than just chemistry with particular players.


The guy has been severely out shot with all but 2 of his top 9 most common linemates and both have a fairly small sample size (31 min w/ Wheeler and 11min w/ Tangradi)

Again, I never said that Scheifeles issues are chemistry. I was talking about coaching via Scheifele. If they are going to keep him stuff him on the 4th line or put with players who some vision.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

The guy has been severely out shot with all but 2 of his top 9 most common linemates and both have a fairly small sample size (31 min w/ Wheeler and 11min w/ Tangradi)

If a line is getting consistently and badly outshot, the first place I'm typically going to look is at C.

Do you send Scheifele down to the AHL to learn the basics of playing C in the pros, or do you move him to the wing (like the Habs did with Gally) and take some of the responsibility off his shoulders? I can't honestly say what would be better for Scheif's development, or for the Jets short-term fortunes.

Like supahdupah said, he's barely touching the puck out there. He needs to be put in some situation where he'll get opportunities to stickhandle with speed and, for lack of a better term, play his game. Right now he's essentially trying to fill Nik Antropov's spot, yet all the things that Antro did well are Scheif's greatest weaknesses.

 

[bazaaa*]

Peluso should be on the fourth line every night, I'd even rather have him on the third line. He plays smart, and one of the few guys who stand in front of the net. Last game, I forget which goal it was, but he was completely screening the goalie, and the shot bounced off and we scored off the rebound.

I don't know why Noel can't play him more than once a week for four minutes.

 

[Savagestevo]

Peluso should be on the fourth line every night, I'd even rather have him on the third line. He plays smart, and one of the few guys who stand in front of the net. Last game, I forget which goal it was, but he was completely screening the goalie, and the shot bounced off and we scored off the rebound.

I don't know why Noel can't play him more than once a week for four minutes.

It was pretty funny that midway through the first period the answer to the "Guess the Jet" game was Anthony Peluso. Who of course was not actually playing in the game.

 

[wpgsilver]

So to be direct you are saying the coach(es) are to blame or a significant portion of the blame goes to them?

Not disagreeing , just wanting to clarify.

Or both.
But I think we are playing below what the team SHOULD be capable of.
I think this team is broken. I'm not sold that this unit (coaches being part of the unit) will succeed.
I don't know where the blame falls, but like I said I think that this team SHOULD be better. I don't think that we are getting the most out of every player on a consistent basis.

I personally believe that with a different coach we could get more out of every individual. Would we be contending if that occurred? No but would we be a playoff team? I think that certainly possible.
Or perhaps I'm wrong, and we're a collection of good players that can't make a good team.

 

[R3DDRAG0N]

Peluso should be on the fourth line every night, I'd even rather have him on the third line. He plays smart, and one of the few guys who stand in front of the net. Last game, I forget which goal it was, but he was completely screening the goalie, and the shot bounced off and we scored off the rebound.

I don't know why Noel can't play him more than once a week for four minutes.

Cause Noel has a hard on for thorborn for some reason. Noel has his "guys" that no matter what they do they'll get their ice time irregardless of performance...(pavs, Thor, buff etc etc etc)

 

[Duke749]

No Noel just sucks as a head coach in the NHL. There, I said it...

 

[wpgsilver]

Peluso should be on the fourth line every night, I'd even rather have him on the third line. He plays smart, and one of the few guys who stand in front of the net. Last game, I forget which goal it was, but he was completely screening the goalie, and the shot bounced off and we scored off the rebound.

I don't know why Noel can't play him more than once a week for four minutes.

I agree.
Its not we'd be losing anything by replacing ThorNburn for the year.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Peluso should be on the fourth line every night, I'd even rather have him on the third line. He plays smart, and one of the few guys who stand in front of the net. Last game, I forget which goal it was, but he was completely screening the goalie, and the shot bounced off and we scored off the rebound.

I don't know why Noel can't play him more than once a week for four minutes.

Nope. He plays the exact OPPOSITE of smart. He plays dumb. By the book, basic, simpleton. It's not always a bad thing, as simple plays can and do work, which is why they are drilled into players heads. However when you facing a talented puck possession team, the inability to adjust on the defensive side of the puck and struggle to read plays will kill you. Chicago is not AT ALL the game for Peluso.

People don't want to hear it, but coaches do not want players that cannot hold onto the puck, make defensive adjustments, consistently make the correct plays on the defensive side of the puck. Hitting, skating hard randomly all over the ice, and talent at fisticuffs do not make up for those shortcomings.

 

[seasontixholder*]

Was is just me or was it freezing in the arena tonight? Now that I think of it, I know why. Harper was in the arena.

 

[wpgsilver]

Was is just me or was it freezing in the arena tonight? Now that I think of it, I know why. Harper was in the arena.

I didn't find it particularly cold but I was wearing a...
Wait, this was just an opportunity to take a pot shot, nevermind. Carry on.

 

[Savagestevo]

Was is just me or was it freezing in the arena tonight? Now that I think of it, I know why. Harper was in the arena.

It was cold, perhaps they turned the heat down because of the issues they've been having with poor ice conditions earlier in the season. Of course Blake Wheeler found a way to fall down anyways, though.

 

[Duke749]

This team is in a dangerous place.. This could be a prolonged rebuild. If this core doesn't have the capabilty thats 5 years, and then we sell off our assets and patiently wait another 3-6 years for our draft pics to develop. I hope I don't sound outrageous or pessimistic when I say that the playoffs could be an 8+ year wait

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the "core". Do you people not realize there isn't much OUTSIDE the core???!?!?!?!?!?

 

[jetkarma*]

Or both.
But I think we are playing below what the team SHOULD be capable of.
I think this team is broken. I'm not sold that this unit (coaches being part of the unit) will succeed.
I don't know where the blame falls, but like I said I think that this team SHOULD be better. I don't think that we are getting the most out of every player on a consistent basis.

I personally believe that with a different coach we could get more out of every individual. Would we be contending if that occurred? No but would we be a playoff team? I think that certainly possible.
Or perhaps I'm wrong, and we're a collection of good players that can't make a good team.

Well the one year extension pretty much indicates to me that a real evaluation will be made this season. Either at the end of the season or if things go south , before that.

I like Noel in many ways , but those aren't really related to coaching or in that I think he is an average let alone above average NHL coach. It is a business and a business decision will happen soon.

That Chevy got fully extended and Noel did not is both fair and telling imo .