Post-Game Talk: Well this is familiar: Jets lose 6-3 to the HelmetPardy guys

[Positive]

You missed my point entirely. I was referring to his is USAGE. It doesn't make any sense, if they keep him in the NHL.

You asked for him to get more PP time based on his junior performance. I said he did get some before, probably more than he deserved. You wanted him with better linemates than Frolik and Hali. And I said he has been with better linemates in Seto and Kane. I say Frolik is an adequate linemate on the 3rd. Not sure about Halischuk. But in any case Scheifele's no better than 3rd line right now.

IMHO he's being used the way he should be used in the NHL, given what we currently have on the team.

 

[Duke749]

On one bright side, I smartly bet on the Hawks. If I lost, we win. If we lose, I win. lol

Probably why I have more vCash then most Jets' posters.

 

[R3DDRAG0N]

On one bright side, I smartly bet on the Hawks. If I lost, we win. If we lose, I win. lol

Probably why I have more vCash then most Jets' posters.

What's vcash about where do you use it and bet it?

 

[garret9]

You asked for him to get more PP time based on his junior performance. I said he did get some before, probably more than he deserved. You wanted him with better linemates than Frolik and Hali. And I said he has been with better linemates in Seto and Kane. I say Frolik is an adequate linemate on the 3rd. Not sure about Halischuk. But in any case Scheifele's no better than 3rd line right now.

IMHO he's being used the way he should be used in the NHL, given what we currently have on the team.

Mhmm... Agreed.

It's not like Scheifele is being used as a defensive centre. They are giving him super easy minutes against weak lines and mostly in the offensive zone...

Also, case for better linemates can't really be made when the player is not even the best on the line.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

On one bright side, I smartly bet on the Hawks. If I lost, we win. If we lose, I win. lol

Probably why I have more vCash then most Jets' posters.

Lol. I've thought about adopting this strategy, but I just can't allow myself to bet fake money on another team.

 

[meedle]

Just sayin that Burmi would probably agree with you about the whole 'mindless north south' style that the Jets play.

In reply to sheif's usage: Jet's didn't get a center to replace burmi during the offseason and were probably banking that sheif will play up to par. Has he? I too believe that Sheif should be sent down for development but who's the backup? Wright? lol.

At this point in the season you need to make a call imo. I think you need to look at the long term with Scheif. Sending him down is the best for him and the Jets long term. Doesn't matter if you send an AHLer to fill that hole or the waiver wire. It won't matter as we aren't going to make it anyways.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I'm glad your optomistic. Reality shows they are in last place in the division and everyone has played less games. All the playoff teams have are 9+ games over .500. All the playoff teams have a massive home winning record and have a winning record on the road. The Jets are 1 game under 500. I just don't see it. Someone mentioned a few days ago that the jets would have to win 14 in a row just to catch up.

It's not even optimism really. I am more of a realist than anything. It all comes down to consistency. This team has stood toe to toe against the elite in the western conference and came out fine. We've also had games like tonight where we get our ass thoroughly handed to us. The team needs to find consistency. They very well could stumble all the way through the rest of the season and we miss the playoffs again. I am not saying that it's not a possibility right now. I am saying that it's ****ing stupid to say that it's over already. Everyone in our conference is playing OUT OF THEIR MIND right now. They will come back down to Earth. What I think will be really telling is our 6 game road trip through the east. That will be very very interesting.

 

[buggs]

Oh yeah is it fire noël time yet? Or are we not far enough into the thread for that?

Far enough now. So effin sick of watching that five man penalty kill in our own zone with guys still managing to miss their assignments. Sorry, home from the game and a little miffed. Chicago put on a clinic, that is an amazing team and Toews is an absolute stud, well worth the price of admission.

Observation: hit someone. Remember the home opener? Where was that game against this team. The Hawks are stellar, but heysoos, stop playing like you're a fan and play the game against them, not in awe.

I think Buff is a great trade chip, but I don't think we should move him. I think Kane might be a better piece to move. He was very ineffectual and almost (I said almost) looked like he's still playing with a chip on his shoulder about the 'healthy scratch'.

Still playing an AHL defence in the NHL, less Buff/Toby (though I thought Ellerby was fun to watch. Can't say I"m surprised at the outcome given this but I'd also say it wasn't necessarily the D missing their assignments either.

Ladd Little Jokinen as a line for a while? WTF?

And finally it was hilarious - some guys in our row brought paper helmets and started assembling them in the latter half of the third. Rent a cop security dude came down and told them rather impolitely it wasn't kindergarten and stop trying to pull a stunt. Um, Mr. Chipman, is that approach considered professional by TNSE? Harmless fun vs condescending security staff. Stay classy.

 

[pucka lucka]

You asked for him to get more PP time based on his junior performance. I said he did get some before, probably more than he deserved. You wanted him with better linemates than Frolik and Hali. And I said he has been with better linemates in Seto and Kane. I say Frolik is an adequate linemate on the 3rd. Not sure about Halischuk. But in any case Scheifele's no better than 3rd line right now.

IMHO he's being used the way he should be used in the NHL, given what we currently have on the
team.

Really, again? I said, that based on his skill set, why bother having him up here if they play him in a way that he's useless. Like i said, you missed my point. I was talking about the coaching more than Scheifele.

 

[Andy6]

Noel's non-answer to the question "There's been a lot of talk about how Evander needs line mates but is it maybe more a matter of Evander playing better with his line mates" (or something to that effect) was a picture worth a thousand words. I wouldn't be surprised if Kane is down to his last few games with the franchise at this point ... this seems like more than a dry spell. I can't see a more obvious shake-up move with more obvious up-side than a trade for a #9 that right now looks to be ranking behind Dougie Smail let alone Bobby Hull.

 

[meedle]

It's not even optimism really. I am more of a realist than anything. It all comes down to consistency. This team has stood toe to toe against the elite in the western conference and came out fine. We've also had games like tonight where we get our ass thoroughly handed to us. The team needs to find consistency. They very well could stumble all the way through the rest of the season and we miss the playoffs again. I am not saying that it's not a possibility right now. I am saying that it's ****ing stupid to say that it's over already. Everyone in our conference is playing OUT OF THEIR MIND right now. They will come back down to Earth. What I think will be really telling is our 6 game road trip through the east. That will be very very interesting.

History has shown the playoff line to be 96? points. We are no where near on track for that. Even if they all fall back, we are in no position to even be in that conversation. If they were on track for that 96 points, or even say 90. Then I would say we are in that conversation.

 

[pucka lucka]

Mhmm... Agreed.

It's not like Scheifele is being used as a defensive centre. They are giving him super easy minutes against weak lines and mostly in the offensive zone...

Also, case for better linemates can't really be made when the player is not even the best on the line.

How many people are going to misrepresent what I said in one thread? I said the style of player he is playing with isn't optimal. I didn't say anything about playing 2nd line or 1st line or conga line.

 

[Positive]

Do you honestly think the western conference is going to continue it's utter DOMINATION of the eastern conference?

There are a lot of teams that have yet to come back down to Earth but they will. Chicago, St. Louis, Minnesota, and Colorado are not going to keep this pace up for an entire season.

I am blind to nothing good sir. I am just a little more level headed than some of the people here who are ready for the team to implode.

The domination isn't sustainable, but I'm afraid the damage has already been done for this season. It's probably been enough to raise the point total needed to make the playoffs, by 2 or 3 points. i.e. In any normal season, 95-96 pts would probably get into the playoffs...with this aberration of a quarter season, looks like it might be more like 97-99 even if things level out from here on.

 

[JetsFan815]

I get it. You are used to seeing a poor team. Those previous seasons have exactly ZERO impact on what's happening right now. The only thing they do is bring you down personally. Just because you had to sit through crap does not mean that the current team is crap.

What he's saying is that he has seen this song and dance before in the previous iterations of the Jets and nothing seems to have changed since. Can't say I blame him

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Re: Scheifele, I'm beginning to think that a move to wing might not be a bad idea at this point. Maybe move him to RW alongside Jokinen and Kane, and then have Frolik centering Halischuk and Setoguchi?

Not every junior centre is going to transition smoothly as a pro centre. To play that third line C role, you really need to be someone who consistently wins board battles and lends consistent puck support. Those are probably Scheifele's weakest points.

It's just painful to see Scheifele's line get outshot game in and game out, especially when anyone who watched him in junior knows he can be a huge asset in puck possession.

 

[meedle]

Noel's non-answer to the question "There's been a lot of talk about how Evander needs line mates but is it maybe more a matter of Evander playing better with his line mates" (or something to that effect) was a picture worth a thousand words. I wouldn't be surprised if Kane is down to his last few games with the franchise at this point ... this seems like more than a dry spell. I can't see a more obvious shake-up move with more obvious up-side than a trade for a #9 that right now looks to be ranking behind Dougie Smail let alone Bobby Hull.

He is in a slump, now is not that time to pile on. All goal scorers go thru that. You can't get down on him for not scoring as long as he is doing the other things to contribute.

 

[pucka lucka]

Re: Scheifele, I'm beginning to think that a move to wing might not be a bad idea at this point. Maybe move him to RW alongside Jokinen and Kane, and then have Frolik centering Halischuk and Setoguchi?

Not every junior centre is going to transition smoothly as a pro centre. To play that third line C role, you really need to be someone who consistently wins board battles and lends consistent puck support. Those are probably Scheifele's weakest points.

It's just painful to see Scheifele's line get outshot game in and game out, especially when anyone who watched him in junior knows he can be a huge asset in puck possession.

You can see he barely touches the puck offensively. Frolik is a decent player, but that dude plays with his head down with the puck.

 

[meedle]

Re: Scheifele, I'm beginning to think that a move to wing might not be a bad idea at this point. Maybe move him to RW alongside Jokinen and Kane, and then have Frolik centering Halischuk and Setoguchi?

Not every junior centre is going to transition smoothly as a pro centre. To play that third line C role, you really need to be someone who consistently wins board battles and lends consistent puck support. Those are probably Scheifele's weakest points.

It's just painful to see Scheifele's line get outshot game in and game out, especially when anyone who watched him in junior knows he can be a huge asset in puck possession.

I thought moving him to wing would be a good idea as well, to take some of the defensive responsiblity out. Still need another center to do that tho.

 

[surixon]

I know you're upset about the loss, but Scheif was pretty bad this game. Personal mistakes, not the mistakes of his line. I was actually surprised he kept on getting more ice-time.

Can't blame the loss on him not being on the PP, when we scored twice on the PP.

Mark averages 1:33 of PP time per game actually, which is 6th amongst the Jets forwards. So yeah, he's been getting more than zero. Just producing zero aside from his one goal in the first game.

As for the linemates he was with him, I believe he started on the second line with Kane and Setoguchi on the season. He basically didn't play well enough to stay there.

He's just not very good right now. Not saying bust or never will be good. Just not good right now.

His time on the pp was almost exclusively spent sitting infront of the net screening the goalie, not a good use of his talents if you ask me.

I agree that he wasn't good tonight but neither was any other forward excluding LLW. Jokinin for instance was a train wreck tonight.

He does need to play with someone who can help him out with moving the puck.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Well there you have it folks. A very rude awakening into why Keaton Ellerby is not cut out to be a top 4 defenseman. It's not in the cards now, and likely isn't in the future. He is just not smart enough or talented enough for that. Which is what I and other Kings fans tried to tell you. HORRIAWFUL game by him. 2 goals directly his fault, with countless other turnovers.

Buff's defensive game continues to be underrated, IMO. One thing to note in particular is his communication. He communicates VERY well on the ice, directing traffic and making the right plays happen.

Don't really think Setoguchi deserved the benching. Didn't think anybody but Ladd and Little showed up tonight up front, why was Seto called out?

Harper left early

 

[BigZ65]

Complete and utter physical domination. Guys like Redmond and Halischuk got physically beat several times in this game, hard to watch at times. Redmond got his feet tied up by Chicago's quick puck movement on the cycle once, didn't even need to get rocked by a Hawk, took himself down to the ice.

Hard to compete when we have a half dozen AHLers in the lineup, the Hawks have a half dozen NHL players better than any single NHL player we have who bring it every night with complete and total buy-in.

 

[Savagestevo]

Just got back from the game.

The Jets could ill afford to lose Alexander Burmistrov to the KHL like they did in the offseason because Mark Scheifele is not an NHL hockey player. They can't really send him down though because the teams Center depth is so poor and on top of that Slater is injured.

Not sure if people watching on TV saw anything different but to me I thought Ellerby played Ok, I think he deserves to keep playing once all the D are healthy, but I assume that won't be the case and he'll be scratched for Stuart.

The score was closer than the actual game was, Crawford was awful but of course Ondrej Pavelec was worse. Defense wasn't the greatest of course, but Pavelec needs to be the better goaltender more often.

 

[meedle]

Well there you have it folks. A very rude awakening into why Keaton Ellerby is not cut out to be a top 4 defenseman. It's not in the cards now, and likely isn't in the future. He is just not smart enough or talented enough for that. Which is what I and other Kings fans tried to tell you. HORRIAWFUL game by him.

Buff's defensive game continues to be underrated, IMO. One thing to note in particular is his communication. He communicates VERY well on the ice, directing traffic and making the right plays happen.

Don't really think Setoguchi deserved the benching. Didn't think anybody but Ladd and Little showed up tonight up front, why was Seto called out?

Harper left early

Harper needs to leave early for security reasons.

 

[JetsFan815]

And finally it was hilarious - some guys in our row brought paper helmets and started assembling them in the latter half of the third. Rent a cop security dude came down and told them rather impolitely it wasn't kindergarten and stop trying to pull a stunt. Um, Mr. Chipman, is that approach considered professional by TNSE? Harmless fun vs condescending security staff. Stay classy.

Yikes. That's bad. TNSE the fun police. Fans pay good money to come in and watch the games and are well within their rights to have a little bit of fun which is not hurting anyone.

 

[BigZ65]

Not sure if people watching on TV saw anything different but to me I thought Ellerby played Ok, I think he deserves to keep playing once all the D are healthy, but I assume that won't be the case and he'll be scratched for Stuart.

Ellerby is better than Pardy IMO, he can skate, Pardy is stronger on the puck. Neither of them belong in a NHL top 6.