We, the fans, are part of the problem

[Not My Tempo]

I think fans complaining here on HF for example is fine, as players would have to go out of their way to see the stuff posted here, but anyone who goes to a social media account and posts there is a wacko

 

[OppositeLocK]

Toronto getting rid of Marner would be no different than when Boston got rid of Seguin after his atrocious cup final performance. 1G in 22GP lost them the cup.

 

[OppositeLocK]

Entitlement and a holier than thou attitude is exactly why Marner and some of the Toronto fan base deserve one another.

2 goals in his last 19 playoff games, but before that he was Jabba the Hutt when it came to getting money.

 

[justashadowof]

I think fans complaining here on HF for example is fine, as players would have to go out of their way to see the stuff posted here, but anyone who goes to a social media account and posts there is a wacko

I think this site qualifies as a form (albeit dated form) of social media. Yes twitter and other like are worse due to their immersion and coercion of the individual plus they're traps of "compliance or consequences" that most people really can't handle.

 

[ECanuck]

I apologize for stopping our guys from winning.
Stop it.
Yes, fanatics can have outrageous reactions.
None of them step on the ice.

 

[Aus34Matt]

Toronto getting rid of Marner would be no different than when Boston got rid of Seguin after his atrocious cup final performance. 1G in 22GP lost them the cup.

Naturally, that organization knows how to win. period.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

I have a vendetta with Marner for threatening the offer sheet. Just trade him and if it doesn’t work fire management.

Also Marner’s letter to the fans was the biggest red flag. Clearly not written by him as evidenced by the no effort teleprompt job in the video

 

[kliq]

Nobody is justifying death threats. As an aside, I have a hard time believing anyone actually threatened to kill them.

My problem is people cheapen mental illness when they bring it up after someone called them a disgrace.

I'm pretty sure she showed them, but to each their own.

 

[Trapper]

I apologize for stopping our guys from winning.
Stop it.
Yes, fanatics can have outrageous reactions.
None of them step on the ice.

 

[ECanuck]

Naturally, that organization knows how to win. period.

How many cups did they win after that?
Most organizations lose most of the time.
Ours just doesn't even come close to winning.

 

[OppositeLocK]

How many cups did they win after that?
Most organizations lose most of the time.
Ours just doesn't even come close to winning.

They went to the cup finals and have been one of the winningest teams in hockey. That's even after the Seguin trade didn't net back much of anything.

They needed a culture change. Seguin just wasn't that interested in winning.

 

[VanW27]

Imagine a similar situation but it playing out in Montreal instead. Hometown kid drafted high, turns into a star - demands an unprecedented contract and threatens offersheet if he doesn't get it - Habs give him the deal and then he plays like that in the playoffs as their heavily favorited team is knocked out in the first round.

It's crazy people think Leafs Fans/media are hard on players. If this situation was playing out in Montreal the media would be absolutely tear him to shreds, and not just in articles or in analysis but straight to his face, demanding answers to why he played like garbage and what he's going to do to make it up to the fans. Not to mention what the fans would do, he might literally have to fear for his own personal safety, and certainly that of his/his family's property.

I'm not advocating for any of that, just pointing out that Leafs fans/media are puppy dogs in comparison.

 

[centipede2233]

Imagine a similar situation but it playing out in Montreal instead. Hometown kid drafted high, turns into a star - demands an unprecedented contract and threatens offersheet if he doesn't get it - Habs give him the deal and then he plays like that in the playoffs as their heavily favorited team is knocked out in the first round.

It's crazy people think Leafs Fans/media are hard on players. If this situation was playing out in Montreal the media would be absolutely tear him to shreds, and not just in articles or in analysis but straight to his face, demanding answers to why he played like garbage and what he's going to do to make it up to the fans. Not to mention what the fans would do, he might literally have to fear for his own personal safety, and certainly that of his/his family's property.

I'm not advocating for any of that, just pointing out that Leafs fans/media are puppy dogs in comparison.

I agree, marner would get a lot more heat in a Montreal market. As the points already mentioned above

 

[mikeyz]

This entire post in redundant. Some Leafs fans being utter morons is not justified because some soccer fans are even bigger morons.

For the record, I'm not asking you to feel bad for Matthews or Marner, you can feel bad for them or get triggered that others feel bad for them, its all the same to me.

My point from the beginning was that some fans take it too far. Like I said in my previous post, sending death threats to a players wife is way over the line and all the crap like this that these players have to go through is ultimately going to hurt the team and in turn hurt the fans, and sadly some will never get it and instead continue to throw their temper tantrums. And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with being upset that a player is playing bad, or that your team lost, that is NOT what I am saying, I am saying there is a line and so many fans cross it now a days.

I am obviously not justifying death threats to players. I am just saying that you're talking as if Toronto is the only city who does it.

There are other cities and countries who do it too and that's after winning a championship and then going on a mini slump in the regular season.

There are psychotic fans in every fanbase.

 

[nsleaf]

Sorry to say it folks, but what's happening now with the Marner bashing is part of the reason this franchise will not succeed.

Why do we do this? We will end up driving this kid out of town. Even if Dubas doesn't want to deal him, who's going to want to play here under these circumstances? That's exactly the recipe for a bad trade.

Perhaps we need to find a happy medium between Plan the Parade (a week ago?) and what's happening now.

Perhaps the fragility of this team is reflective of the fragility of this fanbase. Let's practise some patience and break this cycle?

Because you know Mitch Marner comes out of this a changed man. We've all had to learn some hard lessons in life before we changed something that needed to be changed.

What just happened might be the worst thing that happens to this franchise in quite some time, but it could be the best thing, if some patience is exercised.

Leaf fans are a lot of things, quite angry at the moment, but certainly not the reason they continue to fail to succeed. That's on the players.

 

[Lightsol]

Then how come over the years players jump at the opportunity to play for the Leafs? Why were Sittler, McDonald, Clark, etc. heartbroken when they were traded? Why did Lindros want to come to Toronto on multiple occasions, despite all the drama and baggage surrounding him? The only players who I could see not wanting to play for the Leafs are those who want no parts of being held accountable.

The media is infinitely worse now than they EVER were back in the old days. To be honest, I think a lot of it has to do with Bell & Rogers both buying a stake in the team. They're TERRIFIED someone might accuse them of bias towards the team they own a stake in, so they've swung HARD in the other direction...

 

[kliq]

I am obviously not justifying death threats to players. I am just saying that you're talking as if Toronto is the only city who does it.

There are other cities and countries who do it too and that's after winning a championship and then going on a mini slump in the regular season.

There are psychotic fans in every fanbase.

I never said that TO is the only city. I’m not saying that this will stop a team from winning a championship, but I do think I’m decreases their odds at getting the best players. Now to be clear, decreasing the odds is not the same as saying “good players won’t come”.

 

[Canadian Finn]

social media accounts are the best place to post your thoughts.

these kids want to brag about their life through SM, then use that avenue when you want to tell them what you think.

If a player doesn't want to hear from the fans, don't join social media. it goes both ways.

 

[egd27]

What pressure this year? Did they have to walk down the streets and get hounded by fans? Did we boo them? Did they have to endure huge media scrums? Could, they not even go to lunch without being accosted? Of ALL the years, when you’re literally in a bubble, around NOBODY, to complain about the environment, the pressure, around you, I say bullocks.

He had the nerve to say how hard it was not being able to hang out with his friends due to Covid. Talk about needing some growing up. That's the crap you'd expect to hear from a spoiled high school kid.

 

[mikeyz]

He had the nerve to say how hard it was not being able to hang out with his friends due to Covid. Talk about needing some growing up. That's the crap you'd expect to hear from a spoiled high school kid.

It’s funny, because my dad said something similar to what you just said here. I didn’t think anything of it, but, now that I think of it. Yeah, it’s 100% true. He does have a lot of growing up to do.

 

[egd27]

It’s funny, because my dad said something similar to what you just said here. I didn’t think anything of it, but, now that I think of it. Yeah, it’s 100% true. He does have a lot of growing up to do.

I'm probably at least your Dad's age. LOL

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

This team is the biggest group of mental midgets and it aint the fans.

 

[Garthinater]

Sorry to say it folks, but what's happening now with the Marner bashing is part of the reason this franchise will not succeed.

Why do we do this? We will end up driving this kid out of town. Even if Dubas doesn't want to deal him, who's going to want to play here under these circumstances? That's exactly the recipe for a bad trade.

Perhaps we need to find a happy medium between Plan the Parade (a week ago?) and what's happening now.

Perhaps the fragility of this team is reflective of the fragility of this fanbase. Let's practise some patience and break this cycle?

Because you know Mitch Marner comes out of this a changed man. We've all had to learn some hard lessons in life before we changed something that needed to be changed.

What just happened might be the worst thing that happens to this franchise in quite some time, but it could be the best thing, if some patience is exercised.

We the fans are part of the problem but not in the way you think.

The problem is that too many leaf fans have supported this team through every crappy period that the owners know it doesn't matter if we win or lose. The stands will still be full and people will buy the merchandise.

Maybe if more fans actually held the team responsible and demanded change we wouldn't be going on 16 years without a series win or no cups since 67.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The only part of this being the fans/supporters fault are the ones who buy tickets, jerseys and everything else Maple Leaf related.
That’s why nothing will ever change, the gold mine that is MLSE will never lose money.
The team does not have to be successful for the organization to be successful.
I would love to see them open up the season next year with the rink at half capacity and a major drop in season ticket holders, but that will never happen in Lemming Land.

Will never ever, EVER happen. years ago I registered for season tickets. I can't afford them just wanted to see the waiting list length.....20 years. the wait was 20 years, one sheep out another in.

I honestly dont even know if I should be mad at the management. they tried their best to put together a winning team. Dubas went out and checked all the boxes. things were looking good going in.
I mean doesnt matter who Dubas adds when your core shuts down after going up 3-1.
The lack of effort all round was extremely frustrating to watch.
After this loss I dont care what happens with the team anymore.
Nothing works.....
Marner isn't going any where boys.....
NO ONE would give up anything remotely close to value
For sure losing

We are all stuck in Groundhog Day except for one day this is an entire year

 

[ER89]

I think mitch and his dad, and the idiot ferris have been making accounts and /or posting on hf with burners. Mental midgets the lot of them.