We, the fans, are part of the problem

[mikeyz]

Leaf fans arw the worst. No wonder why we are hated by all other fans. If you're sick ans tired of leafs, just leave. F off. Marner is awesome and he will be a leaf for ever. So all the haters just go away

Paul Marner??? Is that you???

 

[HarryLime]

this is dumb, just don't follow them but you didn't do anything wrong. neither did we.

for me it's very easy to move on. losing to Montreal, this season. After what they did to us is just unforgivable. It's like a gf that cheats with your worst enemy. It's actually very easy for me to move on now. They finally did it and I'm thankful. I no way can forgive them for this so it was the push I needed. I was operating at about 5% interest this year after CBJ. This was just the final blow and I can say only had to suffer 28 years of being alive. Feel bad for the older fans.

 

[Al4tdsBundy]

Blaming the fans is a lame excuse. You don t even have to win in this city to be treated like royalty. Gilmour Clark Tucker never won here but they gave it their all, and that is all this fan base asks

 

[jamo27]

this is dumb, just don't follow them but you didn't do anything wrong. neither did we.

for me it's very easy to move on. losing to Montreal, this season. After what they did to us is just unforgivable. It's like a gf that cheats with your worst enemy. It's actually very easy for me to move on now. They finally did it and I'm thankful. I no way can forgive them for this so it was the push I needed. I was operating at about 5% interest this year after CBJ. This was just the final blow and I can say only had to suffer 28 years of being alive. Feel bad for the older fans.

you my friend, just nailed it.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

5 years. We all defended him for 5 years, despite him coming up short in the POs every year. Holding your 11M dollar player accountable is not the problem. The 11m dollar player refusing to show up to work is the problem. What is your excuse for him this year ? Are the fans just supposed to take his word for it AGAIN 5 years in a row "We need to be better" We need to show up on time" bud, my beard has turned grey listening to you repeat the same shit over and over.

There's nothing wrong with holding him accountable. He's been garbage every post-season regardless of who we are against, it's unacceptable.

If he took an $8.5M deal...people wouldn't be freaking out the way they are. It's part of the deal with MM. He can't sit there and insist he is a difference maker and expect to be paid like one and...not make a difference. I really think Dubas' vision of overpaying them now but being able to count on the cap increasing has killed any hope we have. A rational guy would say that you just cannot win being so top heavy. I heard yesterday that Cary Friggen Price was the FIRST $10M player to win a series since they started handing out 10M contracts. The FIRST!!

How can anyone not see that you can't pay 3 of them over that amount and win...you just can't. Duby will go down with the ship on this...he will never admit that he was wrong to the teams detriment.

 

[spidergoalie]

I definitely agree with the premise of the thread. The fans don't lose games, but the insane amount of media coverage the Leafs get and the social media reactions of the fans is definitely a disincentive for anyone wanting to play for the Leafs.
That along with recent history says, they feared losing more than wanting to win, and that's not a recipe for success.

I think the Leafs are a team built for the regular season though. Marner and Mathews make highlight reel plays to a degree it sometimes make the opposition look silly in the regular season. But in a seven game series that won't happen. The exact same thing happened to Edmonton.
It is silly to expect Marner to play gritty hockey. That isn't who he is and isn't why he was brought in. I think the Leafs simply lack the kinds of players to have a more well rounded type of team. The game is different in the playoffs. There are way fewer highlight reel pretty goals and a whole lot more ugly grind it out goals, and the Leafs just aren't built for that.
The fact they did nothing to address the failing PP says all we need to know. They are a one trick pony with no other capabilities.

So for me I don't want Marner or Mathews or Nylander gone. It's too bad we pay so much for them, but they are crazy talented players we are lucky to have. But they need support players and coaching so we are not totally reliable on them.

And definitely if the media and fans took a chill pill it would be beneficial.

 

[Boxscore]

The fans don't lose games, but the insane amount of media coverage the Leafs get and the social media reactions of the fans is definitely a disincentive for anyone wanting to play for the Leafs.

Then how come over the years players jump at the opportunity to play for the Leafs? Why were Sittler, McDonald, Clark, etc. heartbroken when they were traded? Why did Lindros want to come to Toronto on multiple occasions, despite all the drama and baggage surrounding him? The only players who I could see not wanting to play for the Leafs are those who want no parts of being held accountable.

 

[kliq]

Oh no! They get $11M+ USD guaranteed every year to play a game. They had a horrible showing and now fans are calling them a "disgrace".

Poor guys, they must be hurting so bad. They're the victims! Their mental health is seriously suffering! There needs to be more awareness for them. They must be suffering so much as they're driving ultra luxury vehicles and yachts to their magnificent cottages. They can't even properly enjoy those crumbs MLSE threw them.

It's this exact attitude why this is such an easy group to hate. The entitlement and diva personas makes me sick. And they have the audacity to come off like this when the general public is legitimately suffering greatly.

I couldnt care less what a player is making, whether its $1 or 10million, death threats towards a person for playing poorly in a game is absolutely absurd.

 

[kliq]

Sorry dude, certainly not trying to attack you. And you are correct, we do impact players wanting to come here. And the threats to Reimers wife like you mentioned... repulsive. That should never happen.
Mostly I'm trying to say: if this team showed any pride at all in the last 3 games of this series, the fanbase wouldn't be as irate. They weren't physical, they weren't skating. If they gave it everything they had and just lost, the reaction wouldn't be positive, but it would not be the same as it is now. I don't think that all season we had 3 games total where the team gave as bad of a collective effort as the last 3 games of this series. This is why the fanbase is losing it on them.

See this I dont have an issue with. People on Tik Tok spitting on jerseys, people sending players death threats, these are the problem.

 

[Jojalu]

See this I dont have an issue with. People on Tik Tok spitting on jerseys, people sending players death threats, these are the problem.

Couldn't agree more.

I have zero issue with people being upset with a players/ teams performance, but it can't be personal. In fact, it is crazy for it to go that far.

I get the emotional response, but fail to see why it gets to that point.

It isn't just Toronto, and this issue isn't just in sports but a deeper issue in society in general.

 

[colchar]

Sorry to say it folks, but what's happening now with the Marner bashing is part of the reason this franchise will not succeed.

Why do we do this? We will end up driving this kid out of town. Even if Dubas doesn't want to deal him, who's going to want to play here under these circumstances? That's exactly the recipe for a bad trade.

Jesus, have you never seen fans in places like New York, Philly, or Europe (soccer)? They are way, way, way worse than Leafs fans have ever been. But teams like the Yankees still get, and keep players. You know why? Because they win.

Those Toronto fans who think they are somehow unique or impactful need to get over themselves.

 

[kliq]

Jesus, have you never seen fans in places like New York, Philly, or Europe (soccer)? They are way, way, way worse than Leafs fans have ever been. But teams like the Yankees still get, and keep players. You know why? Because they win.

Those Toronto fans who think they are somehow unique or impactful need to get over themselves.

No, its because there is no salary cap and the Yankees can pay a shit load more then most other teams when they really want a player.

 

[lcs1979]

Almost everyone online is a keyboard warrior. In the street maybe 1/100 will yell something at a player but 99/100 would say something positive or ask for an autograph if they saw him tomorrow. Mitch isn’t going anywhere.

 

[saffronleaf]

Just give it 20 years when the boomers are gone and there will be no fans for the Leafs to worry about. Under 30 folks despise this franchise because it is a stain on a world class city.

So the fan problem will solve itself.

 

[saffronleaf]

Sorry to say it folks, but what's happening now with the Marner bashing is part of the reason this franchise will not succeed.

Why do we do this? We will end up driving this kid out of town. Even if Dubas doesn't want to deal him, who's going to want to play here under these circumstances? That's exactly the recipe for a bad trade.

Perhaps we need to find a happy medium between Plan the Parade (a week ago?) and what's happening now.

Perhaps the fragility of this team is reflective of the fragility of this fanbase. Let's practise some patience and break this cycle?

Because you know Mitch Marner comes out of this a changed man. We've all had to learn some hard lessons in life before we changed something that needed to be changed.

What just happened might be the worst thing that happens to this franchise in quite some time, but it could be the best thing, if some patience is exercised.

ok Paul

 

[BayStBullies]

This thread is a good reason why I don't use most social media.

 

[Gabriel426]

I guess the next excuse will be playing anywhere in Canada is too much pressure esp for Canadian players.
Let’s blame the fans for not performing.
If my board comes ask me why is my numbers not good, maybe I should just blame the clients for not choosing my service.
What’s next, let’s blame the other team for actually wanting to win?

I agree that some fans are horrible in social media but you have a choice not to be on social media.
Maybe 1/1000 fans will tell you F off in person but that’s life for being a public figure and it will happen in any cities and any sports.

To blame the fans for putting too much pressure in winning is the biggest joke I ever heard in my life.

 

[Stonehands1990]

This thread is a good reason why I don't use most social media.

#ShitBoomersSay

 

[mikeyz]

See this I dont have an issue with. People on Tik Tok spitting on jerseys, people sending players death threats, these are the problem.

Then I hope for your sake that you’re not a European soccer fan. Because if you think burning jerseys and death threats are bad, you should hear some of the shit that happens over there.

Like that Cristiano Ronaldo story a few years back. His father died of alcoholism and publically stated that he wouldn’t drink in honour of his father. Then during the season, because he went on a 2 game goal-less drought, some newspaper came out and said that he was constantly hung over and was partying with strippers every night and not motivated to play.

Ohhh, and did I mention that his team won the league championship the year before???

So, yeah. Excuse me while I break out the worlds biggest violin for Matthews and Marner. Lol.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Lmao it's been 14 years since they won their last playoffs series, 15 years next season and we are part of the problem? LMAO, I guess we couldn't stop supporting the team so we are a problem now?

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

LMAO Paul bitch sneaking in to chime good words? What has your pathetic father son duo has done for the franchise? Burn down your houses and get the f*** out of Ontario.

 

[kliq]

Then I hope for your sake that you’re not a European soccer fan. Because if you think burning jerseys and death threats are bad, you should hear some of the shit that happens over there.

Like that Cristiano Ronaldo story a few years back. His father died of alcoholism and publically stated that he wouldn’t drink in honour of his father. Then during the season, because he went on a 2 game goal-less drought, some newspaper came out and said that he was constantly hung over and was partying with strippers every night and not motivated to play.

Ohhh, and did I mention that his team won the league championship the year before???

So, yeah. Excuse me while I break out the worlds biggest violin for Matthews and Marner. Lol.

This entire post in redundant. Some Leafs fans being utter morons is not justified because some soccer fans are even bigger morons.

For the record, I'm not asking you to feel bad for Matthews or Marner, you can feel bad for them or get triggered that others feel bad for them, its all the same to me.

My point from the beginning was that some fans take it too far. Like I said in my previous post, sending death threats to a players wife is way over the line and all the crap like this that these players have to go through is ultimately going to hurt the team and in turn hurt the fans, and sadly some will never get it and instead continue to throw their temper tantrums. And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with being upset that a player is playing bad, or that your team lost, that is NOT what I am saying, I am saying there is a line and so many fans cross it now a days.

 

[Papa Cherry]

If you're a passionate fan that's upset at your star player you have every right to be, just keep it civil and respect that these athletes are human beings. Who tf is really sending death threats? Send these psychos away.

Also, all the fans that are saying they're gonna stop being leaf fans or stop watching the team are being huge crybabys and probably haven't been fans for very long. Just 6 years ago PA Parenteau was our leading goal scorer, and we would routinely miss the playoffs before that for like a decade (except for that one year which I won't talk about). It's the first time in a long time we've had good young superstars and were considered cup contenders before the playoffs... And NOW people wanna stop being fans?! Lmao

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Sorry to say it folks, but what's happening now with the Marner bashing is part of the reason this franchise will not succeed.

Why do we do this? We will end up driving this kid out of town. Even if Dubas doesn't want to deal him, who's going to want to play here under these circumstances? That's exactly the recipe for a bad trade.

Perhaps we need to find a happy medium between Plan the Parade (a week ago?) and what's happening now.

Perhaps the fragility of this team is reflective of the fragility of this fanbase. Let's practise some patience and break this cycle?

Because you know Mitch Marner comes out of this a changed man. We've all had to learn some hard lessons in life before we changed something that needed to be changed.

What just happened might be the worst thing that happens to this franchise in quite some time, but it could be the best thing, if some patience is exercised.

 

[OppositeLocK]

I couldnt care less what a player is making, whether its $1 or 10million, death threats towards a person for playing poorly in a game is absolutely absurd.

Nobody is justifying death threats. As an aside, I have a hard time believing anyone actually threatened to kill them.

My problem is people cheapen mental illness when they bring it up after someone called them a disgrace.