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Dubas gave up a 1st instead of riding out the final season where we missed the playoffs. :)

and he got it back though? If he kept marleau he couldn’t keep kappy. The could be sheeted. And lost for a pick.

they them and traded them for
-hallander. Joey Anderson and the 15th pick
 
and he got it back though? If he kept marleau he couldn’t keep kappy. The could be sheeted. And lost for a pick.

they them and traded them for
-hallander. Joey Anderson and the 15th pick
Ended up flipping Kappy anyways.
 
Wtf is your angle anyway?

I think people should quit watching/following if they're unhappy.

It's one thing to be down but it's another type of misery to see sunshine and rainbows everywhere and imagining this team to be a dump.

Like I've said in another post, the Isles wouldn't have made the playoffs in a full season. They're in cap hell with 1 star on a bridge deal.
 
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Huh, guess people forget about the horrible moves he made. You can't only look at what he did well.

Please tell us about how 1 year of Marleau was such an anchor that Dubas had to give away a first to make sure Marner got 11 million. Or about how we had to dump Zaitsev and Brown to pay the amazing Andreas Johnson.


Lou even helped Dubas and took Martin off his hands. Maybe you people don't know what good and bad contracts are? You thought Dubas' built a contender.
 
I agree with most of this minus the Tavares signing. Its bizarre to me that suddenly, in recent months, people hate it. We got an elite center without giving up an asset.

They had just drafted a generational goal scoring center and had 32g Kadri for the #2 spot. No need at all for JT but they had the cap space and he was the shiniest thing around. Once he was inked I think almost everyone signed on but there seemed like a lot more emotion than planning. The board was definitely not desperate for him like with Stamkos. but there were no high D or power forwards to be had. What was lost was the cap space but Dubas was not anticipating the kids were going to cross $30M to sign. JT is a fine player but a $10M UFA defenseman would have been much more impactful.
 
Exactly. Each cap dollar concentrated on a small group of players = filling the rest of the roster with inferior players.

Only one way this four headed can work: a constant stream of elc contracts who are then traded before they cash in. Given the leafs average drafting this will never be possible.


Dubas and his spreadsheets won’t make any bad draft picks - - because he’s giving all his picks away.
 
I think people should quit watching/following if they're unhappy.

It's one thing to be down but it's another type of misery to see sunshine and rainbows everywhere and imagining this team to be a dump.

Like I've said in another post, the Isles wouldn't have made the playoffs in a full season. They're in cap hell with 1 star on a bridge deal.
You left out in the conference final. :) Isn't that kinda the whole point of it all? It's been what? 20 years since we've been there?
 
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You left out in the conference final. :) Isn't that kinda the whole point of it all? It's been what? 20 years since we've been there?

Good for them. But a couple of conference finals and nothing to to show followed by a decade of darkness because of bad asset management is something we should be extremely familiar with.
 
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Good for them. But a couple of conference finals and nothing to to show followed by a decade of darkness because of bad asset management is something we should be extremely familiar with.

Are you talking about the team that has traded 2 or their past 3 1st round picks. Only has their core locked up for 3 more years and are currently in cap hell, with zero success to show for it.

Or the team 8 wins away from a cup? It sounds like you're saying the Leafs have a better long term outlook.
 
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Please tell us about how 1 year of Marleau was such an anchor that Dubas had to give away a first to make sure Marner got 11 million. Or about how we had to dump Zaitsev and Brown to pay the amazing Andreas Johnson.


Lou even helped Dubas and took Martin off his hands. Maybe you people don't know what good and bad contracts are? You thought Dubas' built a contender.
Lou signed Marleau knowing full well raises were due. And Zaitsev and Brown is pretty rich, do people forget how bad Zaitsev was and how average Brown was? Maybe you only use hindsight?
 
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Acting as if the success Lou is having on Long Island would be replicated here if he stayed is a fallacy.

In an alternate universe the Leafs keep Lou, still struggle in the playoffs, and Dubas is with Colorado kicking ass, we’re posting Dubas’ photo angry because we let him go.
 
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I knew it was a mistake to hire Dubas from the day it happened and every summer I say to fire him but people keep defending him. I've said it a million times, analytics are fine and all but you can't measure heart and determination with statistics.

For the first time in my life we were building a solid foundation, that looked like if the right people are brought in, could become champions. But instead of keeping an experienced GM we decided to hand it over to a rookie gm who never even played. Now it truly feels like we ruined it and we might not ever even win a single round with this core.

I'm sure the Dubas lovers will come at me with the, "he signed Marleau for 3 years", "Nikita Zaitsev 7 years", and look, I'd love for you guys to be right and rub it in as we make a deep playoff run, but its not gonna happen under him. He should have started his career in a Arizona to test out his analytics to see its over rated in a contact sport.

The worst thing is, even if we fire him now, the damage is done, theres not a whole lot of options. No cap space, no picks, no prospects. If we trade Marner or Nylander, we will get ripped off in a 2 for 1 trade. All we can do is hope he somehow drafted a few studs, which looks unlikely.
 
He’s probably better than Holl. Not a great contract, but he’s not terrible at all.
For 3x the money he sure better be, but that's still very debatable. Zaitsev actually costs double what Holl and Bogo were paid combined.
 
Lou signed Marleau knowing full well raises were due. And Zaitsev and Brown is pretty rich, do people forget how bad Zaitsev was and how average Brown was? Maybe you only use hindsight?

Nah dude, nobody else in the league overpaid their RFA's like Dubas. And an offer sheet on Kappy or Johnson wouldn't have hurt us at all, in hindsight it would have been better value than what we got playing them.

Dubas' majorly screwed this all up because he's terrified of losing players he deems important. And the funniest part is his/Keefe's offensive system is trash and doesn't work in the playoffs. He's paying Marner 11 million to kill penalties.
 
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Only a very bad GM wouldn't have signed Tavares.

You can’t be serious with such a ridiculous and misguided comment.

Wasting $11m on Tavares made absolutely ZERO sense. There was no need whatsoever to replace Kadri as #2C with that $11m boat anchor.

There was a MUCH bigger need on defence. Spending $8m on John Carlson would have made the Leafs an INFINITELY better team. And they’d still have an extra $3m to spend.

It just wouldn’t have provided that cute little pyjama photo PR gimmick.
 
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