We didn’t know what we had

[Gary Nylund]

If the Isles had to play full seasons in 19-20 and 21, they probably wouldn't even have made the playoffs.

Also, they have 1 star and their cap situation is utterly f***ed.

I know right? And just imagine, only another 9 or so if's, and the Maple Leafs would be laughing.

And look at all our stars, man the future so bright my eyes hurt!

 

[Leafs87]

As a whole his career was elite. His biggest asset has always been the contracts he didn’t sign (Gomez,Clarkson,Parise…) so he always kept the team competitive.
His stint in Toronto wasn’t bad but wasn’t great. The issue is we needed his presence most the year after we let him go

 

[Man Bear Pig]

So he gave up a premium asset for a defective one?

Not sure how that’s a ringing endorsement.

I never said I endorsed his moves.

 

[rumman]

Winners win, losers make excuses........

 

[AllDay28]

Lou locks out Nylander and bridges MaMa.

Overpaying RFAs is a total joke.

isnt he the putz who gave Zeitsev that albatross of a contract that forced us to trade Connor Brown to get rid of?

Overpaying shitty players is a total joke.

Also lets not forget Marleau, which then we had to spend a 1st rounder to get rid of..

Lou's the goat...

 

[darrylsittler27]

The Leafs are born losers.

 

[gamer1035]

In regards to the Marleau contract, Lou would've sent that him straight to Robidas island. Instead of paying a first to get rid of him. Regardless, we wouldn't be in cap hell cause Lou wouldn't have bent over on rfa deals.

Some people need to admit we needed Lou's experience. Dubas has made many mistakes an experienced guy wouldn't do. Dubas isn't some genius, hes just young. In fact, hes just a young idiot. Any gm with a brain knew that those rfa overpayments handcuffed us.

 

[Stephen]

Lou Lamoriello is without exaggeration one of the great GM's of the game of hockey for the kind of small market dynasty building in New Jersey over a 30 year period. It's pretty obvious what we had.

Although I would say his brand of organization building, de-emphasis on offensive star power and belief in the collective probably wasn't naturally compatible with the kind of team the Leafs fanbase and organization wanted to construct with the Big 3.

I notice in Toronto our Rogers and Bell owned Leafs and Jays have tended to skew towards offense over the past 10-15 years, likely to do with building exciting and marketable revenue generating teams. Even if you look at a lot of the moves Uncle Lou has made on the Island with Palmieri, Pageau, Martin, Komarov, Zajac, I don't think a lot of our fans would have wanted those kind of pieces or gone in that direction.

 

[Trapper]

Winners win, losers make excuses........

Something...something prom queen.

 

[TOCap1]

Trotz is more of a ringing endorsement to the Islanders than Lou tbh. Pretty sure with any other coach they’d be a middle of the pack team….. and don’t take this comment with anything to do with Dubas or the Leafs.

 

[AllDay28]

In regards to the Marleau contract, Lou would've sent that him straight to Robidas island. Instead of paying a first to get rid of him. Regardless, we wouldn't be in cap hell cause Lou wouldn't have bent over on rfa deals.

Some people need to admit we needed Lou's experience. Dubas has made many mistakes an experienced guy wouldn't do. Dubas isn't some genius, hes just young. In fact, hes just a young idiot. Any gm with a brain new that those rfa overpayments handcuffed out team.

Lou would of sent a dude with an ironman streak to Robidas Island? .. .. ...

 

[gamer1035]

Lou would of sent a dude with an ironman streak to Robidas Island? .. .. ...

Lou sent everyone to Robidas island if it was warranted yes. Including a Lupul who didn't want to be there.

 

[Curt]

@stickty111 Lou keeps winning, and you keep losing with your terrible takes. Except reality and stop being a hater

Lol tell me about some of our great drafts while Lou was here

 

[Buds17]

New York plays in what is probably the best division.

Fair enough. Not my intention to make light of their accomplishment. Much to be proud of over there.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Wtf does Lou's record in NY have anything to do with the shit show here? Any moves he made while here inspires no confidence in my mind

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Why do people think Lou is this master negotiator? You guys ignore the Marleau contract? And no, I'm not some huge Dubas fan, because I know that's the go-to for Lou's fans here.

UFA =/= RFA

 

[Curt]

Lou would of sent a dude with an ironman streak to Robidas Island? .. .. ...

Some posters just don't think before they post... Too funny

 

[Pookie]

Those Dubas vs Lou discussions sure aged well didn’t they?

wonder where those posters are.

 

[nuck]

No GM is perfect by any means, but it's silly to think Lou somehow makes this team make it further. He probably makes the same moves that Dubas did near the trade deadline.

He doesn't sign JT and probably does better with the big 3 contracts. Not a stretch at all. Even though not necessary he would probably use his old boy connections to ditch Marleau's third year. That is all interesting from a "what if" standpoint but it doesn't mean that Lou gets any better playoff production from Mitch and AM in the playoffs, finds Campbell, or hires a coach that is any better than Keefe (odds are its Babs and while I think he is more likely to gets a win in the last two years the chance it goes completely toxic is very real).

We have no idea what other moves Lou would have done and certainly no proof of massive playoff success but they can't win less than one playoff round right? I don't want him back but I have no issue with people bringing this up because they aren't satisfied with the clubs last couple of years, the team needs to do better.

The Isles are doing better with less and if that makes some question the Leaf's results that's fine. Its right to be pissed off about losing. Whether you think there is any point in getting into a pointless Lou vs Dub thread is something else because it is all unprovable speculation.

 

[Buds17]

Not at all. I expressed my opinion poorly. Only meant to suggest that different situations worked out differently.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

UFA =/= RFA

RFA's get paid now. You're gambling on them producing. That's the way it is nowadays.

 

[ShaneFalco]

f*** if we only kept Lou our core would have learned to compete

 

[sxvnert]

We knew. Difference is lou was able to bring in his own coach & system. None of which would have been possible in Toronto with babcock hired by shanny & the golden boy waiting in the wings.

 

[Legion34]

f*** if we only kept Lou our core would have learned to compete

when? How long would it take? Why didn’t they win when he was here?

 

[Man Bear Pig]

He doesn't sign JT and probably does better with the big 3 contracts. Not a stretch at all. Even though not necessary he would probably use his old boy connections to ditch Marleau's third year. That is all interesting from a "what if" standpoint but it doesn't mean that Lou gets any better playoff production from Mitch and AM in the playoffs, finds Campbell, or hires a coach that is any better than Keefe (odds are its Babs and while I think he is more likely to gets a win in the last two years the chance it goes completely toxic is very real).

We have no idea what other moves Lou would have done and certainly no proof of massive playoff success but they can't win less than one playoff round right? I don't want him back but I have no issue with people bringing this up because they aren't satisfied with the clubs last couple of years, the team needs to do better.

The Isles are doing better with less and if that makes some question the Leaf's results that's fine. Its right to be pissed off about losing. Whether you think there is any point in getting into a pointless Lou vs Dub thread is something else because it is all unprovable speculation.

I agree with most of this minus the Tavares signing. Its bizarre to me that suddenly, in recent months, people hate it. We got an elite center without giving up an asset.