We didn’t know what we had

[Trapper]

f*** if we only kept Lou our core would have learned to compete

Doubtful. You can’t make someone compete. Lou or Trotz. Can’t make them take hits to make plays or get dirty in the playoffs. Forecheck hard and push back when pushed.

 

[ShaneFalco]

when? How long would it take? Why didn’t they win when he was here?

I was being facetious

 

[ShaneFalco]

Doubtful. You can’t make someone compete. Lou or Trotz. Can’t make them take hits to make plays or get dirty in the playoffs. Forecheck hard and push back when pushed.

 

[Legion34]

I agree with most of this minus the Tavares signing. Its bizarre to me that suddenly, in recent months, people hate it. We got an elite center without giving up an asset.

And Lou offered him more. Sooooo was it a good move or not?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Lou would of sent a dude with an ironman streak to Robidas Island? .. .. ...

That's a good what if. I think Lou would have kept Marleau for his third year. The course of Matthews and Marner negotiations would have depended on whether Tavares was signed.

 

[Mess]

This was an article in the Toronto Sun last year, and its even more true today.

Aug. 16, 2020
The day the Maple Leafs picked Dubas over Lamoriello looks worse with every Islanders win

Opinion | The day the Maple Leafs picked Dubas over Lamoriello looks worse with every Islanders win

Right around the time the NHL was announcing.

September 12, 2020
Islanders’ Lou Lamoriello wins 2020 Jim Gregory GM of the Year Award

Lou Lamoriello, whose off-season decision making and leadership helped steer New York Islanders into the Eastern Conference Finals of the Stanley Cup Playoffs just two years after the departure of franchise cornerstone John Tavares, has been named the 2020 Jim Gregory General Manager of the Year Award winner.

Islanders' Lou Lamoriello wins 2020 Jim Gregory GM of the Year Award - Sportsnet.ca

New York Islanders have now reached Final 4 is back to back seasons.

 

[ShaneFalco]

And Lou offered him more. Sooooo was it a good move or not?

Lou can do no wrong to some it's f***ing weird
What happens in NY is totally irrelevant here. A certain mod has always had a hard on for him though
So if Dubas goes to Ottawa and they start winning playoff series is he all of a sudden a genius?

 

[sparxx87]

I agree with most of this minus the Tavares signing. Its bizarre to me that suddenly, in recent months, people hate it. We got an elite center without giving up an asset.

You can rewind to when it was signed - a number of people were saying this. You can’t tie that much money into 4 players, it’s going to fail, you’re going to want to move money, and because Tavares has the NMC you’re probably looking at Mitch Marner trades..

... that is, unless you want to keep trying the same thing that doesn’t work over and over.

 

[sxvnert]

I agree with most of this minus the Tavares signing. Its bizarre to me that suddenly, in recent months, people hate it. We got an elite center without giving up an asset.

Cap space is an asset.

 

[Matthews to Tavares]

That Marleau, Zaitsev deals, and trading 2nds for 4th liners was pretty awesome.
I know I don't want that GM.
Tell me the great moves he made here?

Do you even know who was available at that time for trades? I’d rather have zaitsev right now he’s doing just fine in Ottawa.

 

[Donnie740]

Cap space is an asset.

Only an asset if it’s used properly.

Having $11m in cap space and then handing every penny of it to a #2C is more of a boat anchor than an asset.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Cap space is an asset.

Isnt the point of cap space to garner elite players?

 

[sxvnert]

You can rewind to when it was signed - a number of people were saying this. You can’t tie that much money into 4 players, it’s going to fail, you’re going to want to move money, and because Tavares has the NMC, you’re probably looking at Mitch Marner trades..

... that is, unless you want to keep trying the same thing that doesn’t work over and over.

You can if the cap was rising each season. The flat cap forces dubas to change the plan. If he doesn't hes no better than the dinosaurs he came in to replace.

 

[Matthews to Tavares]

So you would take any GM over Dubas? Do people just ignore the good things he's done?

 

[Pookie]

And Lou offered him more. Sooooo was it a good move or not?

move is a move.

what matters is what happens next.

Dubas got Tavares and built a really shitty playoff team.

Lou lost Tavares and built a really good playoff team.

 

[sparxx87]

You can if the cap was rising each season. The flat cap forces dubas to change the plan. If he doesn't hes no better than the dinosaurs he came in to replace.

No, you can’t. It’s never been done, and I think you should look at the salary cap structure of all the teams that make the final 4 going back all the way to the start of the salary cap.

See if you can spot what’s different about every single one compared to the Leafs.

Flat cap compounded the problem, something everyone else is dealing with.

Look at the dinosaurs record in regular season and playoffs vs Leafs since the move. The difference is staggering.

How many more first round participation ribbons do you have to hand out?

 

[Legion34]

Lou can do no wrong to some it's f***ing weird
What happens in NY is totally irrelevant here

nope. Everything somehow is about Toronto


Ehlers scores a goal. Sure would be nice if marner could score...... ehlers had a 22 game goal less streak.

Only Toronto could choke in game 7s. Can’t believe we missed on Aho. Carolina is great.... carolina has been shut out 2 of last 3 elimination games.

Toronto’s core are chokers. Can’t figure it out. 5 years first round exits. Tampa are winners.... tampa missed 4 of their first 5 and were bottom 3 at this time

Lou is so great wouldn’t komorov be great here.... he was here. It was 4-1 remember?

Lou is so smart. No cap hits under 11. He tried. Twice. They said no.

just insane. Not everything is about Toronto. Whenever anyone wins its somehow about Toronto.

If Montreal wins.... Toronto are chokers
Vegas wins....... OMG 4 years and a cup? 1967
Isles win... Lou
Colorado. Mack is a real winner. He took less. Kadri is a star. (Forgetting that Mack was a hug bust)
tampa. The core took less. Real winners (despite taxes and historical choking)


If carolina won. Shoulda took Aho.
If ottawa won... brutal.
Edmonton. Mcdavid and drai took less


Somehow. Always everything in the world only exists to harm the leafs in some magical way

 

[Brobust]

I know right? And just imagine, only another 9 or so if's, and the Maple Leafs would be laughing.

And look at all our stars, man the future so bright my eyes hurt!

If it hurts this bad, maybe you should move on.

I heard the Isles are a great team.

 

[yubbers]

The same guy who got walked over by Marleau's agent. You can't just ignore the bad stuff he did now.

Dubas gave up a 1st instead of riding out the final season where we missed the playoffs.

 

[sxvnert]

Only an asset if it’s used properly.

Having $11m in cap space and then handing every penny of it to a #2C is more of a boat anchor than an asset.

Exactly. Each cap dollar concentrated on a small group of players = filling the rest of the roster with inferior players.

Only one way this four headed can work: a constant stream of elc contracts who are then traded before they cash in. Given the leafs average drafting this will never be possible.

 

[ShaneFalco]

If it hurts this bad, maybe you should move on.

I heard the Isles are a great team.

Wtf is your angle anyway?

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

RFA's get paid now. You're gambling on them producing. That's the way it is nowadays.

Who are all these other RFAs getting paid UFA money?

Islanders bridged Barzal. Tampa did the same with Sergachev. Columbus with Dubois. Tampa with Point. Winnipeg with Laine. Calgary with Tkachuk.

Who else recently signed their own RFAs to market setting deals that walk them right into young free agency? Rantanen maybe?

 

[Matthews to Tavares]

So you would take any GM over Dubas? Do people just ignore the good things he's done?

Sure getting Brodie was good but he has handcuffed this team with big 4. He has no way of making this team better because we’re against the cap. We would have a way more balanced team if Lou was still the GM. I don’t want to hear the flat cap excuse because we would have an even better team with more cap room.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Who are all these other RFAs getting paid UFA money?

Islanders bridged Barzal. Tampa did the same with Sergachev. Columbus with Dubois. Tampa with Point. Winnipeg with Laine. Calgary with Tkachuk.

Who else recently signed their own RFAs to market setting deals that walk them right into young free agency? Rantanen maybe?

Which Leafs RFA would walk right into free agency?

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Sure getting Brodie was good but he has handcuffed this team with big 4. He has no way of making this team better because we’re against the cap. We would have a way more balanced team if Lou was still the GM. I don’t want to hear the flat cap excuse because we would have an even better team with more cap room.

Balance doesnt equal wins neccesarily.