WCF: Edmonton Oilers vs. Colorado Avalanche ( Avs lead 3-0 )

[Cup or Bust]

I have never seen a team play worse hockey then the Oilers have and make it this far in the playoffs. I also never seen a team force other teams to play worse hockey in the playoffs either. As bad as the Oilers defense and goaltending has been, it seems the other team's defense and goaltending is just as lousy when they play the Oilers. It will be interesting to see if we ever get to see a normal 3-2 or 2-1 game in these playoffs that involves the Oilers. The Oilers last 6 games in these playoffs have been nothing but complete looney tunes.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Checks Edmonton's blue line, their best D-man is Nurse who is a good #3 D-man. Beyond him, it's all trash.

Okay.

 

[Coffey]

One thing I can say about Toronto is that they seem to show class by not rioting after a momentous loss.

Now let's not jump to conclusions.
Nobody riots after a round 1 exit. If they lost in game 7 SCF, it would be interesting.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

True. We aren't too good, either.

One thing I can say about Toronto is that they seem to show class by not rioting after a momentous loss.

When's the last time they had one of those?

 

[Mez]

Hey remember 3 games ago when that controversial Makar goal happened?

Oh wait everything that happened was one game. That was one game. It's true.

Pretty sure it was multiple games from different dimensions that somehow crossed over and turned into one.

 

[Zerotonine]

Kinda find it funny every one taking oilers D, sure it's not elite and probably bottom 10 in the league, but it's not an excuse for how bad Smith has been. There is no excuse for an nhl goalie to be this bad. I mean in every season every time the oilers score seems like Smith let's in the next shot.

 

[dmac7719]

Maybe this help the intent queens.

It won't. By now, with everything that is out there regarding the play and that was released before even Dave here posted his video, people at this point who still believe that the play was offside are the type of people that won't ever change their opinion. It doesn't matter how much evidence and facts you point to that contradicts what they believe, their will always be some kind of "but".
They're basically the same as flat earthers.

 

[Coffey]

every time the oilers score seems like Smith let's in the next shot.

This is the most deflating shit ever rofl

 

[EdAVSfan]

Kinda find it funny every one taking oilers D, sure it's not elite and probably bottom 10 in the league, but it's not an excuse for how bad Smith has been. There is no excuse for an nhl goalie to be this bad. I mean in every season every time the oilers score seems like Smith let's in the next shot.

To be fair, the oilers gave up a great chance right after they scored. First the 2 on 1, then the nurse/Makar sideshow goal.

 

[King1s]

At first we give them siima and then we pull the matto alta.

Ez

 

[Zerotonine]

To be fair, the oilers gave up a great chance right after they scored. First the 2 on 1, then the nurse/Makar sideshow goal.

2 on 1 no issue there, but Smith should of had the 60 ft snapper from Makar tho

This is the most deflating shit ever rofl

That's exactly what Killed the comeback in hand 1 vs calgary. That horrible 7th goal

 

[J bo Jeans]

It won't. By now, with everything that is out there regarding the play and that was released before even Dave here posted his video, people at this point who still believe that the play was offside are the type of people that won't ever change their opinion. It doesn't matter how much evidence and facts you point to that contradicts what they believe, their will always be some kind of "but".
They're basically the same as flat earthers.

People are more arguing the rule itself. How can someone be allowed to stickhandle the puck in while his team mate is offside.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Both teams going to tighten it up this game for sure. Oilers can score with the Avs but the D is going to have go desperation mode to limit some GA. Smith stealing the show would be nice too.

Big Key: Limit Nurse's TOI and QOC tonight.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Both teams going to tighten it up this game for sure. Oilers can score with the Avs but the D is going to have go desperation mode to limit some GA. Smith stealing the show would be nice too.

Big Key: Limit Nurse's TOI and QOC tonight.

They can’t. They’re the away team. Limiting his QOC would need to be on the fly during line changes.

 

[Coffey]

Big Key: Limit Nurse's TOI and QOC tonight.

If he's so damn injured with the hernia, why even play him? High risk, low reward.

 

[Norwegianoiler]

At their best as a team, the Oilers defense is more than good enough on most nights, which then allows the goaltender to make saves and even let out a few rebounds that the d-men will clear. As it stands, however, they've got little leeway, because the drop off to their second best (or worse) is pretty ugly. With Nurse playing well below his normal self, at least partially due to the injury he sustained towards the end of the season, they've not got many ES minute munchers either. Kulak covers for some of it, but will struggle over time to play the extra "Nurse minutes". The playoffs catch up to teams as they go deeper.

Having less than ideal goaltending may last you a while - even all the way with a large portion of luck - but very likely it won't. The odds are catching up to Edmonton, as they're held together by way above normal offensive output to outweigh their overall defensive problems. When you cannot allow yourself even a small drop in quality without being exposed, you're playing with fire as the games go on. Suddenly they may play a game or two of cohesive team defense and it'll look better, but the issues are there over time. The Avalanche are not at all unbeatable, but enjoy a greater margin for error due to the overall quality of their defense and goaltending compared to the Oilers. I don't think it's over, but the Oilers will have to give a hell of an overall effort to avoid unravelling again.

 

[U55]

I have never seen a team play worse hockey then the Oilers have and make it this far in the playoffs. I also never seen a team force other teams to play worse hockey in the playoffs either. As bad as the Oilers defense and goaltending has been, it seems the other team's defense and goaltending is just as lousy when they play the Oilers. It will be interesting to see if we ever get to see a normal 3-2 or 2-1 game in these playoffs that involves the Oilers. The Oilers last 6 games in these playoffs have been nothing but complete looney tunes.

the oilers are so good offensively that other teams have to score to keep up. It's a lot of fun to watch honestly.

 

[Avsfan1921]

People are more arguing the rule itself. How can someone be allowed to stickhandle the puck in while his team mate is offside.

I think people are arguing because it hurt their team. Everyone thought it was offside at first, I get it.

But the rule states that it needed to be touched. Possession has nothing to do with it. Intention has nothing to do with it.

Tag up dump in’s happen all the time, sometimes even intentionally to a corner for them or a teammate to retrieve. If a player pushes the puck over but waits for his team, and himself, to get onside before continuing to play the puck, what is issue? Why are people calling for this to change? We all know that teams need to tag up before carrying on and that’s what happened here. They were lucky as I don’t think Makar did that intentionally but it was a perfectly legal play.

the oilers are so good offensively that other teams have to score to keep up. It's a lot of fun to watch honestly.

It’s definitely stressful haha

 

[J bo Jeans]

I think people are arguing because it hurt their team. Everyone thought it was offside at first, I get it.

But the rule states that it needed to be touched. Possession has nothing to do with it. Intention has nothing to do with it.

Tag up dump in’s happen all the time, sometimes even intentionally to a corner for them or a teammate to retrieve. If a player pushes the puck over but waits for his team, and himself, to get onside before continuing to play the puck, what is issue? Why are people calling for this to change? We all know that teams need to tag up before carrying on and that’s what happened here. They were lucky as I don’t think Makar did that intentionally but it was a perfectly legal play.


It’s definitely stressful haha

The issue is he stickhandles the puck into the zone while his teammate is offside. The rule should be changed to fit in possession or control of the puck. That way you can still dump it in. You just can't literally stickhandle it in and not get called offside because the puck was in between a forehand and backhand standard stickhandle motion.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Would be something for Colorado to get over the 2nd round hump. Only to potentially lose in the SCF.

 

[Avsfan1921]

The issue is he stickhandles the puck into the zone while his teammate is offside. The rule should be changed to fit in possession or control of the puck. That way you can still dump it in. You just can't literally stickhandle it in and not get called offside because the puck was in between a forehand and backhand standard stickhandle motion.

But the stick did not “handle” it in, by definition. It literally did not touch the puck in the offensive zone until the team was on side. The puck was brought in from momentum, not on the stick.

Sure we can call it ticky tacky but it the correct call by the rules. People complain about officiating to the extreme for missed calls, I don’t blame the initial upset. I texted my oilers buddy that I had no idea how that counted. Then I learned how under the circumstance was allowed to count. I learned something new and moved on, it was the correct call and has always been that way, we just haven’t seen it directly result in a goal so we were unaware.

 

[North Cole]

Gameday! GL Avs

 

[Avsfan1921]

Gameday! GL Avs

May it cause as much stress and hair loss as the last one!

 

[Just Rude]

When's the last time they had one of those?

I know, right? Those darn Leafs. Looks like Toronto will have to settle for this for the time being.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The issue is he stickhandles the puck into the zone while his teammate is offside. The rule should be changed to fit in possession or control of the puck. That way you can still dump it in. You just can't literally stickhandle it in and not get called offside because the puck was in between a forehand and backhand standard stickhandle motion.

You do realize, based on your recommendation, that there would then need to be a myriad of rules written to describe when “possession or control” is lost. What if Makar pushes the puck forward 3 feet before touching it? 5 feet? What if he pushes over the line and doesn’t touch it for 2 seconds? 4 seconds? How far away does the puck need to be to be considered a dump in and not control? 10 feet? Behind the goal line?

Now understand that the rule being this way allows for clear cut black and white, did he touch the puck. No ambiguity. No judgement from the ref. No need for a bunch of additional clarifications in the rule book. No measuring of what possession or control or intent are, which can all be subjective.

You’re taking a clear and simple case and trying to make it SOO much more complicated, and all because it doesn’t “look” right on replay.