W Nikita Kucherov (2011, 58th overall, Tampa Bay)

[SergeConstantin74]

cant wait to see Kucherov with Grigorenko on the same line with Quebec Remparts!!!

It will be like the Subway Series, but x84.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

http://tvasports.ca/video/1709886331001#1709866159001

Roy says the only problem at the moment is Kucherov's contract with CSKA. Kucherov wants to come over and Yzerman wants to let him play in Quebec.

 

[IdealisticSniper]

Why would he come over to CHL rather than Russian Juniors?

Simple. His ultimate goal is to play in the NHL, and he wants/needs to start getting used to the North American game, as well as the rink size.

Makes perfect sense to me.

If we can get him to come over, and Vasilevski wants to come over so hopefully that will happen, it would be only a matter of time before Gusev comes over as well.

A line of Kucherov-Namestnikov-Gusev and Vasilevski in goal. Hello TB Lightning of 2014-15.

 

[Siberian]

I am not sure if it's a done deal or not but many do not understand why Russian players started coming to the CHL in bunches. I know it is not advertised but KHL clubs get transfer money for players under contract who move to the CHL, and it is very good money too. This is some kind of a work around to get Russians to the NHL. Unfortunately for the players, it becomes a duty that they simply have to complete this task by playing in a CHL club if they want to get a chance at the NHL.

 

[wings5]

I notice alot of jabs by the younger Russian generation at KHL maybe not intentionally but to the displease of many in Russia. Burmistrov saying it is for old men, the Kabanov saga, Grigorenko with a Canadian shirt? Apparently Zharkov said something too recently but I can't recall what it was.

 

[Acallabeth]

Why would he come over to CHL rather than Russian Juniors?
Simple. His ultimate goal is to play in the NHL, and he wants/needs to start getting used to the North American game, as well as the rink size.

He can play in CSKA, not in some junior team, against men. This is a much better option than learning dump'n'chase and adapting to size difference (which he can easily do coming over later, as a better player).

I know it is not advertised but KHL clubs get transfer money for players under contract who move to the CHL, and it is very good money too

Who needs that $20 when they have Rosneft?

 

[ozo]

He can play in CSKA, not in some junior team, against men. This is a much better option than learning dump'n'chase and adapting to size difference (which he can easily do coming over later, as a better player).

It's only your speculation. For example, look at Gusev, everyone who has seen him raves about or alternatively just look at his junior numbers. How much (and what kind) of CSKA action he really saw last year? Gusev is still there in front of Kucherov and add to that anyone who Rossneft bother to sign. Potential signings like Radulov or Semin won't increase the chances of them braking through. It's easy to see why kids like Kucherov would be lured by chance of bigger spotlight than CSKA small arena can offer.

 

[Xokkeu]

I notice alot of jabs by the younger Russian generation at KHL maybe not intentionally but to the displease of many in Russia. Burmistrov saying it is for old men, the Kabanov saga, Grigorenko with a Canadian shirt? Apparently Zharkov said something too recently but I can't recall what it was.

I think quite a few of them do it as much as a part of marketing themselves to NHL GMs as they do to speak their actual opinions.

 

[Acallabeth]

It's only your speculation. For example, look at Gusev, everyone who has seen him raves about or alternatively just look at his junior numbers. How much (and what kind) of CSKA action he really saw last year? Gusev is still there in front of Kucherov and add to that anyone who Rossneft bother to sign. Potential signings like Radulov or Semin won't increase the chances of them braking through. It's easy to see why kids like Kucherov would be lured by chance of bigger spotlight than CSKA small arena can offer.

CSKA didn't have Bragin (who has a very good resume of work with young players) as their head coach last year. Gusev mostly plays another wing. They both are a year older this year, and remembering size concerns this may play its role.
Signings like Radulov - well, let them happen first, and then, players like that are brought to CSKA to fill leader's shoes, not to take 20 year olds' roster spots. Also it's easier to make progress among better players.

 

[Paxon]

Why would he come over to CHL rather than Russian Juniors?

Simple. His ultimate goal is to play in the NHL, and he wants/needs to start getting used to the North American game, as well as the rink size.

Makes perfect sense to me.

If we can get him to come over, and Vasilevski wants to come over so hopefully that will happen, it would be only a matter of time before Gusev comes over as well.

A line of Kucherov-Namestnikov-Gusev and Vasilevski in goal. Hello TB Lightning of 2014-15.

That is a highly overrated concern. I would argue strongly that playing in Russia against grown men is a far more ideal development situation than playing in North America against kids.

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

Sorensen has a GF in Quebec.... Just pointing that out... Should Grigs comeback he's the odd man out, Roy loves his Russians... And I can't see him trading the better of the 2... And Sorensen is abit of a Gamble...

 

[pouskin74*]

i think its a false information

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

i think its a false information

It's the Quebec Remparts... And Patrick Roy...

 

[Zine]

It's only your speculation. For example, look at Gusev, everyone who has seen him raves about or alternatively just look at his junior numbers. How much (and what kind) of CSKA action he really saw last year? Gusev is still there in front of Kucherov and add to that anyone who Rossneft bother to sign. Potential signings like Radulov or Semin won't increase the chances of them braking through. It's easy to see why kids like Kucherov would be lured by chance of bigger spotlight than CSKA small arena can offer.

CSKA has rid themselves a ton of dead weight (Filatov, Yashin, Badyukov, Surovy, etc.) and haven't signed anyone good apart from Sprukts. Even if they sign some elite talent, there's still a good chance for Kucherov or Gusev to earn solid position on 3rd/4th line.

 

[Zine]

I notice alot of jabs by the younger Russian generation at KHL maybe not intentionally but to the displease of many in Russia. Burmistrov saying it is for old men, the Kabanov saga, Grigorenko with a Canadian shirt? Apparently Zharkov said something too recently but I can't recall what it was.

I think it was Burmistrov who implied that they basically have to say such things to impress NHL Gm's.

 

[Fulcrum]

CSKA has rid themselves a ton of dead weight (Filatov, Yashin, Badyukov, Surovy, etc.) and haven't signed anyone good apart from Sprukts. Even if they sign some elite talent, there's still a good chance for Kucherov or Gusev to earn solid position on 3rd/4th line.

Yup, very true, they got rid of something like 9 players and brought in only a few. They now have a farm team to rotate players like Kulyomin, Kugryshev. Total setup to develop youths.

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

CSKA has rid themselves a ton of dead weight (Filatov, Yashin, Badyukov, Surovy, etc.) and haven't signed anyone good apart from Sprukts. Even if they sign some elite talent, there's still a good chance for Kucherov or Gusev to earn solid position on 3rd/4th line.

He's better of getting 20 minutes a night here... No use in playing 6-10 mintues a night against pros in Russia... And add in that he's going to be in atleast 60 games.... And a deep playoff run in QC.. Lots of playing time.. Also Roy has a good record with Russians..

 

[Fulcrum]

He's better of getting 20 minutes a night here... No use in playing 6-10 mintues a night against pros in Russia... And add in that he's going to be in atleast 60 games.... And a deep playoff run in QC.. Lots of playing time.. Also Roy has a good record with Russians..

Practicing, living, learning and playing even 6-10 minutes with the Pros (and coaches like Sergei Zubov) is more helpful. So long as they ARE playing those 6-10 minutes to start. You're thinking about the Russian teens riding the bench for 60 minutes, which is not the case in CSKA.

Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Panarin, Burdasov, Ovechkin, Malkin and others all started with 6-10 minutes. If they shine a couple of games, I really wouldn't be surprised if they got moved to line 2 for a few games and play 15-20 minutes and PP time.

The big difference is the pace at which they'll grow being around Pros, and that there is virtually no ceiling. If they really need a lot of playing time, there is always MHL and VHL, which are very comparable to CHL.

The main thing is the support, which CSKA does provide. I would understand if these guys bolted from some other teams, but not this one.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Kucherov wants to come in NA. Why would you keep a player who wants to leave your team?

 

[chasespace]

Kucherov wants to come in NA. Why would you keep a player who wants to leave your team?

Because CSKA wants compensation for helping turn Kucherov into the player he is, which is very understandable.

I doubt they block a move to spite a player that would rather be somewhere else but they will want fair compensation.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Because CSKA wants compensation for helping turn Kucherov into the player he is, which is very understandable.

I doubt they block a move to spite a player that would rather be somewhere else but they will want fair compensation.

I understand wanting a compensation. I wouldn't understand blocking the move though.

 

[zorz]

Kucherov going to CHL is similar case for me as Kuznetsov staying in KHL - player made the decision, but there were some influences on both of them of course. I think both is ok.

 

[Stammer Time*]

Kucherov will be attending the Lightning's prospect camp in Tampa next week so I'd say that's a strong sign he will be in NA next season.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Nikita Kucherov ‏@kucher86
Quebec Remparts !!!

 

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