So by Ippe Rants has already hit his ceiling at the start of his rookie season
Didn't you know everyone's production is identical to their first dozen games? The results man, the results.
W/C Mikko Rantanen (2015, 10th, COL) II
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Didn't you know everyone's production is identical to their first dozen games? The results man, the results.
So by Ippe Rants has already hit his ceiling at the start of his rookie season
In a way yes. Unless he developes significantly the areas that I mentioned in my previous post. If he will not develop those significantly he will not be able to help the 1st line in scoring efficiently, thus I predict he will be pretty soon demoted to 2nd line. And if he can't still seriously develop his clear weaknesses, he will not help the 2nd line either in being productive. So I unfortunately see it so far, that he will be pretty soon a 3rd or 4th liner. Of course I hope that he will develop his weaknesses seriously. I just don't see it happening very soon at least. And without developing the weaknesses substantially I see him as a 3rd line player. His weaknesses are pretty fundamental, so I am not that sure if he will ever be able to develop them enough to become a real star player. But only time will tell. At the moment I am anyway quite a sceptic in his case.
In nowadays hockey intensity and challenging the opponent is really everything. This is why for example some Finnish players are in trouble in the NHL, even if they are very skilled players. Players like Rantanen, Granlund (he is developing at least with it, just unfortunately has an abysmal shot
), Teräväinen and even Barkov (to some extent), lack this important intensity and the in your face attitude that young superstars like McDavid, Gaudreau, Laine and Marner for example have. It is a quality that is difficult to develop, if you just don't have it naturally.
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tigervixxxen
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So if they spread out the scoring and MacKinnon is on one line and Duchene is on another and Mikko just so happens to play on the "second line" he's a bust. Seriously, it's pretty obvious who has and hasn't watched any Avalanche games or have any understanding about how their organization and team runs.
Thanks for the skepticism but we aren't looking for validation. I've seen every game Mikko has played in North America. I am very aware and familiar with his game. Even if he never scores another point all year I can already see what difference he's made in shot generation and sustaining offensive pressure. The Avs believe in him and see this too, which is why they continue to give him heavy ice time and a spot on the first pp unit from day 1. Bednar continues to call him exceptional and praises his game. There's more to the game than box score grazing.
Thanks for the skepticism but we aren't looking for validation. I've seen every game Mikko has played in North America. I am very aware and familiar with his game. Even if he never scores another point all year I can already see what difference he's made in shot generation and sustaining offensive pressure. The Avs believe in him and see this too, which is why they continue to give him heavy ice time and a spot on the first pp unit from day 1. Bednar continues to call him exceptional and praises his game. There's more to the game than box score grazing.
TheForsbergShow
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Nice, you agree with a guy who has repeated himself 20x over saying the same gibberish because he isn't Laine and the all mighty Aho. Im curious to here what his excuse is for the latter not producing a point in 7 games. At this rate Aho is destined for 3rd line duties just like Rantanen. Just another two over-hyped Finnish prospects I guess
dahrougem2
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It sounds like you should be the one talking less, because it's very, very evident you are the one who knows nothing about Rantanen.
BB88
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In a way yes. Unless he developes significantly the areas that I mentioned in my previous post. If he will not develop those significantly he will not be able to help the 1st line in scoring efficiently, thus I predict he will be pretty soon demoted to 2nd line. And if he can't still seriously develop his clear weaknesses, he will not help the 2nd line either in being productive. So I unfortunately see it so far, that he will be pretty soon a 3rd or 4th liner. Of course I hope that he will develop his weaknesses seriously. I just don't see it happening very soon at least. And without developing the weaknesses substantially I see him as a 3rd line player. His weaknesses are pretty fundamental, so I am not that sure if he will ever be able to develop them enough to become a real star player. But only time will tell. At the moment I am anyway quite a sceptic in his case.
In nowadays hockey intensity and challenging the opponent is really everything. This is why for example some Finnish players are in trouble in the NHL, even if they are very skilled players. Players like Rantanen, Granlund (he is developing at least with it, just unfortunately has an abysmal shot
I guess we can say Aho is a 4th liner as well as he hasn't been able to get a point in 7 straight games and looks worse than Rantanen on the ice?
Rants doesn't have a bad shot, he's the playmaker on that team and already a clear top9 forward, he has kept setting up his linemates game after game, for Mack he has set up 3-4 scoring chances per game.
He's not going to regress.
You should watch a game and see how he plays behind the net in the offensive zone and how he drives the net. The way he can protect the puck will make him a nightmare to play against.
Why even bother explaining anything to him? It's obvious he has an agenda from the first moment someone dared to say Mikko is better than Aho, he just can't take it. Ever since, he posts drivel with nothing to back it up.
BB88
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I know I should stop but it's very frustrating
It takes skills to watch the games and blame Rantanen and call him a future 3rd/4th liner.
I really like Aho, I want the best for him but Ippe just gives him too much credit here right now.
FinPanda
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Please Ippenator come and tell us your opinion about Aho! I think he should come back to Finland and play maybe in Mestis, because you know we hasn't scored in 7 games!! That is everything that matters, stats and all of the stats that support your own agenda. I really think Aho is one of the worst players in NHL because in seven games no points, Rantanen has outscored him in those seven games so clearly he is better prospect
Sure Aho has been quite a big disappointment for me. I have no problem in admitting it. But some Rantanen fan boys here have real problems in looking at the truth, which is that Rantanen has been amazingly unefficient. Sure the same has been now practically happening to Aho. At least he has anyway 5 assists while Rantanen has a whopping 1! But anyway, obviously Aho is not physically ready after all to use his skills efficiently. At least he has still huge potential through gaining much more strength in the future. He is anyway a year younger than Rantanen, and Rantanen is already that much ready player physically, that he will not develop very much more in that area in the future.
So even though I am very disappointed in Aho at the moment and I do see that he does not also belong to first or second line at the moment, he at least has more potential to become a real star than Rantanen has. But lets wait and see. I am practically sure myself that Aho will have a clearly better career than Rantanen. And it is fine for me if Rantanen fans believe otherwise. I'm not angry at you at all. I wish I could say the same about you guys...
I'm not angry at you at all. I wish I could say the same about you guys...
You sure seem proud of being able to anger some random people on the internet.
Not proud. Just laughing at people who get so angry of other people having just different opinions than they have.
tigervixxxen
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This is the Rantanen thread, not the who is the best Finnish rookie thread. I'd get criticism of his game is fair here but we are way beyond that.
I'm not expecting a whole lot from Aho either to be honest. I know you were being sarcastic, but yeah, two overhyped prospects if you ask me.
MardyBum
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and laine gets his third hat trick and this thread continues the way that it is.
He has the same point production these last seven rounds as the number 1 NHL draft pick Auston Matthews! 
Those are impressive stats!
Those are impressive stats!
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There really is no argument there. Laine is without a doubt a better player than Mikko. Different level of prospects. Doesn't mean Mikko can't be great in is own right though.
I'm excited to see what he can do playing with Mack and Duchene tonight. I'll be very surprised if he's held off of the scoresheet.
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