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W/C Mikko Rantanen (2015, 10th, COL) II

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Rantanen has been an enormous disappointment. He should have good tools but he hardly ever actually accomplishes anything. In 15 games you should have more than 1 point even if you are barely an NHLer just by getting lucky with some flukes. Getting some serious flashes of Burmistrov.
 
Lowlife said:
This exactly is what I would like to see from him.
I also think he seems to be just floating around and not involved in the play enough.
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LOL WHAT? Rantanen is the play. He has the puck on his stick and is controlling the play pretty much the entire time he's on the ice shift after shift.

Rantanen has played 6 games this season. Two of those 6 games the Avalanche were shutout. In those 6 games the Avs have been outscored 17-6. Despite those stats Rantanen has a CF% of 59.3%. He's absolutely dominating every time he's on the ice.

Check out his shot percentages and the PDO. Or better yet, watch a game. Then try to argue that Rantanen isn't involved in the play enough.
 
ijuka said:
Rantanen has been an enormous disappointment. He should have good tools but he hardly ever actually accomplishes anything. In 15 games you should have more than 1 point even if you are barely an NHLer just by getting lucky with some flukes. Getting some serious flashes of Burmistrov.
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You can't judge a player based on 15 games. If he's at 20 points after the season, sure go ahead and be worried. Right now, he's played well but not getting on the scoresheet.

Sooner or later the bounces will go his way. Players that can put up points like he did in the AHL at his age don't just disappear in the NHL often.
 
Let's write off a 20-year-old who has played only 15 NHL games, with 9 of them games where he received little ice-time. His OISH% at 5v5 through 15 games is 1%. League average is around 7.2%. He's going to be a good player, he's just had terrible puck luck to start the year. Colorado appears to yet again be a very frustrating team yet again.
 
Pi said:
You can't judge a player based on 15 games. If he's at 20 points after the season, sure go ahead and be worried. Right now, he's played well but not getting on the scoresheet.

Sooner or later the bounces will go his way. Players that can put up points like he did in the AHL at his age don't just disappear in the NHL often.
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Well alright, his "luck" stats are really bad so maybe he should be given some time. Let's just hope that it's due to luck and not something fundamental.
 
Pi said:
You can't judge a player based on 15 games. If he's at 20 points after the season, sure go ahead and be worried. Right now, he's played well but not getting on the scoresheet.

Sooner or later the bounces will go his way. Players that can put up points like he did in the AHL at his age don't just disappear in the NHL often.
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He's also played just 6 games this season, coming off from a ankle injury that made him miss the pre season and still I'd say he has been clearly better player than Mackinnon.
He seems to create 3-4 grade A scoring chances for Mack every single game.
It's hardly Rants fault that Landeskog misses an open net after his pass.
 
ijuka said:
Rantanen has been an enormous disappointment. He should have good tools but he hardly ever actually accomplishes anything. In 15 games you should have more than 1 point even if you are barely an NHLer just by getting lucky with some flukes. Getting some serious flashes of Burmistrov.
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Brad Marchand had 0 goals, 1 assist in his first 20 games (actually it may have even been more, as that was in his 1st season and I don't know how many games into his 2nd season he took to score) and was older than Rantanen.

Like I said, I think he'll get there but I don't think he's there yet. Good vision and skills but he has to realize that he is an NHL player and a skilled one and that he's just as good as anyone. Lots of players with his style take a bit of time to get going. Barkov and Joe Thornton were the same way.
 
ijuka said:
Rantanen has been an enormous disappointment. He should have good tools but he hardly ever actually accomplishes anything. In 15 games you should have more than 1 point even if you are barely an NHLer just by getting lucky with some flukes. Getting some serious flashes of Burmistrov.
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If he was playing on a competent team, he would have a lot more than 1 point.
 
ijuka said:
Rantanen has been an enormous disappointment. He should have good tools but he hardly ever actually accomplishes anything. In 15 games you should have more than 1 point even if you are barely an NHLer just by getting lucky with some flukes. Getting some serious flashes of Burmistrov.
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He's been far from a disappointment. If I was an Avs fan, I would be ecstatic with his play.

His underlying stats are great. xGF60, scoring chances for, high danger chances for, corsi for, are all really high. He's just had bad luck. Extremely low personal shooting percentage and on-ice shooting percentage.

If he continues to play like he has, he is due for an explosion in production.

He's a terrific prospect.
 
ijuka said:
Rantanen has been an enormous disappointment. He should have good tools but he hardly ever actually accomplishes anything. In 15 games you should have more than 1 point even if you are barely an NHLer just by getting lucky with some flukes. Getting some serious flashes of Burmistrov.
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I would word it a bit differently. His production has been a disappointment so far but looking at the 3 games I've been able to see him play this year, he has been at least as good as guys like Mackinnon & Duchene out there. So at least for me, his game has looked a lot like I've expected.

He makes a lot of smart plays with the puck and he actually looks like a veteran in the boards. He's damn strong skater for a big guy, especially when he does that "Sakic turn", he always makes so much room for himself with that move.

The only real concern I have with him is that he doesn't really strike me as a player who will be known for scoring consistently. It must tell something when he has had so many good scoring chances but hasn't just been able to put it in.

I hope he proves me wrong.
 
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kento said:
LOL WHAT? Rantanen is the play. He has the puck on his stick and is controlling the play pretty much the entire time he's on the ice shift after shift.

Rantanen has played 6 games this season. Two of those 6 games the Avalanche were shutout. In those 6 games the Avs have been outscored 17-6. Despite those stats Rantanen has a CF% of 59.3%. He's absolutely dominating every time he's on the ice.

Check out his shot percentages and the PDO. Or better yet, watch a game. Then try to argue that Rantanen isn't involved in the play enough.
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I admit I haven't seen every game of his, but everytime I watch him this is what I see. And it's frustrating. Hope he proves me wrong though.
 
It sucks that points haven't been coming, but he's been playing pretty good. He'll be a solid player for years to come.
 
It seems that people who haven't liked what they've seen from him, haven't actually watched him play this year. What I've seen from him, he's been one of the best Avs players. I have seen a couple of their games, and don't really believe that he sucked in all the other games.

If he plays like that, the points are coming. The way Ippenator put it by saying that he was 11 games and 0+0 after his second game this year, that was hilarious. Watch more, talk less. Should work for everyone. He and MacKinnon have great shots for per 60 minutes numbers. That tells that he has pushed for offence and sadly has not find the back of the net yet or doesn't have more assists. He could be in a point per game right now, but things haven't worked out in the scoresheet yet.
 
Gsus said:
It seems that people who haven't liked what they've seen from him, haven't actually watched him play this year. What I've seen from him, he's been one of the best Avs players. I have seen a couple of their games, and don't really believe that he sucked in all the other games.

If he plays like that, the points are coming. The way Ippenator put it by saying that he was 11 games and 0+0 after his second game this year, that was hilarious. Watch more, talk less. Should work for everyone. He and MacKinnon have great shots for per 60 minutes numbers. That tells that he has pushed for offence and sadly has not find the back of the net yet or doesn't have more assists. He could be in a point per game right now, but things haven't worked out in the scoresheet yet.
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I have watched him play in every game he has played this season, so less talk really, when you know nothing... But to understand my philosophy in hockey, you have to understand that I am extremely result oriented. I have never given very much value to players who have good puck possession, but fail very often to contribute on goals. Goals and wins are everything to me, and pretty plays that lead into nothing, are exactly nothing. Any player who plays as a forward and has an over 10 game streak of 0+0 games, is really a failiar, at least to a large extent. And Rantanen was playing around 18 minutes per game and mostly in the 1st line, in the few games he has played this season

Some people don't like this way of thinking, and it is fine for me, but I see every sports in this way, and no one will change the way how I see it, and what I appreciate in sports.

Rantanen has definitely some good qualities. But all in all he lacks exactly the things I value the most in hockey. He doesn't have a very good shot for the NHL level. Especially the variety of his shots is pretty bad. He also shoots pretty weakly and inaccurately in traffic or when he is in a hurry. Sure his wrister was ok or even good for AHL, but now he is in the NHL, and at that level his shot is only mediocre, if even that. Also he is too hasty with the puck and does not have at the moment at least the best timing. What also irritates me a lot is that he is incredibly passive and non physical for the size and strength that he has. And he is not so far even using his puck protecting skills too much in the NHL.

To me his play has looked hasty and half baked. He doesn't drive to the net enough or shoot with real quality. Instead he is too often passing too quickly to teammates whom are only half open, instead of using his skill and size more to make more real space to his team mates and himself. All in all I don't like his attitude. It sure is not the worst kind, but it is also holding him back very much from fulfilling the potential that he could have. But he has been like that since when he played in Finland, in FEL, in WJC and in WHC for the national team and now in the NHL. AHL really seemed to suite him well, but unfortunately it also shows why I see AHL as a weaker league than most of the best European leagues. Ok the best players there are very good, but the worse ones are really bad compared to SHL or FEL, let alone KHL. And the coaching is much more varying and more disorganized.

Anyway, I do believe so far that Rantanen most probably will become a pretty good 3rd liner for the NHL. But honestly I can't see a much brighter future for him in the NHL, unless he developes his shot a lot, gets a lot more intensity to his game and more physicality and mean streak to his game. But this is my opinion. Anyone is free to disagree and have their own opinions.
 
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strictlyrandy said:
Uhhh...really? You can't read? Look for the number 96. Look in the top right corner where it says good. Look at what the chart measures. Pretty easy to see that Rantanen has been pretty good.
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What do the with and without on the right mean? Colorado has 98 shots on goal with Rantanen or their opponent has? I am a programmer, I need explicit instructions.
 
Esko6 said:
What do the with and without on the right mean? Colorado has 98 shots on goal with Rantanen or their opponent has? I am a programmer, I need explicit instructions.
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When Colorado (as a team) is playing WITH Rantanen (Blue 96) on the ice they are generating more shots (further right) to the opponents goal and letting less shots against themselves (further up).

When Colorado (as a team) is playing WITHOUT Rantanen (Red 96) on the ice they are generating less shots (further left) to the opponents goal and letting more shots against themselves (further down).
 
So by Ippe Rants has already hit his ceiling at the start of his rookie season :laugh: :laugh:
 
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