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W/C Mikko Rantanen (2015, 10th, COL) II

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His draft year was 14-15. 15-16 was draft+1, 16-17 is his draft+2. At least that is how the terms are commonly used. Draft year is the year which is the basis for one's draft position.
 
vaiski said:
His draft year was 14-15. 15-16 was draft+1, 16-17 is his draft+2. At least that is how the terms are commonly used. Draft year is the year which is the basis for one's draft position.
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Nope.. Draft is held after the season.. So it cant be 14-15..

By that logic: Laine, Matthews, Werenski etc.. Are all in their draft+1 years.. And i've thought they were on their draft year..
 
Snowsii said:
Nope.. Draft is held after the season.. So it cant be 14-15..

By that logic: Laine, Matthews, Werenski etc.. Are all in their draft+1 years.. And i've thought they were on their draft year..
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The draft is considered the last event of the year, before the new season starts fresh on July 1st.

It would be like this

Rasmus Dahlin: Draft-1
Timothy Liljegren: Draft year
Laine: D+1
Rantanen: D+2
W. Nylander: D+3

Werenski was a sperate draft year, so I have no idea why you have him grouped with Matthews and Laine. Werenski is in his D+2
 
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93LEAFS said:
The draft is considered the last event of the year, before the new season starts fresh on July 1st.

It would be like this

Rasmus Dahlin: Draft-1
Timothy Liljegren: Draft year
Laine:D+1
Rantanen: D+2
W. Nylander: D+3

Werenski was a sperate draft year, so I have no idea why you have him grouped with Matthews and Laine. Werenski is in his D+2
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just threw those names from memory..
 
93LEAFS said:
The draft is considered the last event of the year, before the new season starts fresh on July 1st.
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I get where that comes from, but in the context of rookie players that's just stupid. They absolutely have no chance to do anything in the NHL in their supposed "Draft year", and it's been less than five months since they personally could even be allowed to enter the operation that is NHL and some of the guys of this year's Draft have had meh+ performance already in there.
 
Lempo said:
I get where that comes from, but in the context of rookie players that's just stupid. They absolutely have no chance to do anything in the NHL in their supposed "Draft year", and it's been less than five months since they personally could even be allowed to enter the operation that is NHL and some of the guys of this year's Draft have had meh+ performance already in there.
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No one plays in the NHL in their draft season, because well, you aren't drafted yet. But this is debating semantics. In general just call it their rookie year and state when they were drafted. But, if I was talking about a prospect such as Liljegren, I would call this his draft year, and it would make no sense for a player to have 2 draft seasons (unless they were passed over). The system works fine as long as the standard is held.
 
93LEAFS said:
No one plays in the NHL in their draft season, because well, you aren't drafted yet. But this is debating semantics. In general just call it their rookie year and state when they were drafted. But, if I was talking about a prospect such as Liljegren, I would call this his draft year, and it would make no sense for a player to have 2 draft seasons (unless they were passed over). The system works fine as long as the standard is held.
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Yeah I absolutely have no other point than the semantic one. It's an age class thing really so for that purpose it's a hassle to talk specifically of the rookie year with modifiers. Some guys may have had one or more post-Draft conditioning years in a lesser league while others may play in NHL the first thing after their Draft; calling everyone rookie diminishes the very distinction you're trying to make when you opt to talk about it being someone's Draft (+ X) year.
 
I'm. . .just confused how this was even being debated.

It's called your "draft year" because it's the year that leads up to you being drafted.

The year after is your D+1, or "Year after you've been drafted".

What possible debate can come from these absolute facts with regards to prospects?
 
MardyBum said:
I'm. . .just confused how this was even being debated.

It's called your "draft year" because it's the year that leads up to you being drafted.

The year after is your D+1, or "Year after you've been drafted".

What possible debate can come from these absolute facts with regards to prospects?
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Starting to come along just fine after his first goal in yes indeed his draft + 1 year. It was just a matter of time. He's just going to get better with more experience.
 
MardyBum said:
I'm. . .just confused how this was even being debated.

It's called your "draft year" because it's the year that leads up to you being drafted.

The year after is your D+1, or "Year after you've been drafted".

What possible debate can come from these absolute facts with regards to prospects?
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Exactly this has always been the case.
 
The Winter Soldier said:
Starting to come along just fine after his first goal in yes indeed his draft + 1 year. It was just a matter of time. He's just going to get better with more experience.
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You can call it whatever you want for whatever reason you want, but the rest of us who understand the common usage of the terms, know that last year was his Draft +1 year and this is Draft +2.

I have on idea why you are putting so much stock in calling it his Draft +1 when:

1) That's not the most common usage of the term
2) Who the hell cares what year it is. He's making his claim to be an everyday NHL player. Let's be happy about that.
 
TheForsbergShow said:
This thread is about Rantanen and how well he is playing. If you guys want to go and talk about semantics go make a new thread and a poll.
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Glad to see him finally producing, but it was expected by anyone who watched or just knew anything about basic analytics. Hopefully, Rantanen and Mackinnon can go on a run.
 
5 in 8 games since breaking his seal...that would be a reasonable pace to keep the rest of the season which would put him around the 45 point mark for his rookie campaign. With solid underlying fancy stats and already trusted with good minutes, I really think his season is about to start snow-balling in a very positive fashion. Late start and overall point total may not be able to mean a Calder finalist challenge like some may have hoped for but let's face it - this rookie class is dynamic and deep.
 
Dr Quincy said:
You can call it whatever you want for whatever reason you want, but the rest of us who understand the common usage of the terms, know that last year was his Draft +1 year and this is Draft +2.

I have on idea why you are putting so much stock in calling it his Draft +1 when:

1) That's not the most common usage of the term
2) Who the hell cares what year it is. He's making his claim to be an everyday NHL player. Let's be happy about that.
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I am not sure why you didn't also quote the 2 other posters that agreed on the draft + 1 year terminology so I am not sure of your rest of us comment. Regardless Rantanen is starting to produce and I agree with you on this, let's be happy about that as NHL fans. It is not always who is the fastest out of the gate, it is who is best at the finish line. Anyone who saw Rantanen in the AHL last year, would not be surprise he would, it was just a matter of time for him.
 
Another A last night and is looking amazing with MacKinnon. The way he wins puck battles and possesses the puck hasn't been seen in Colorado in a long time. Already one of the smartest players on the team and seems to always know where to be and where to go with the puck. Bednar already has him playing at the end of games and high leverage situations. The future is looking super bright for this kid.
 
Dr Quincy said:
You can call it whatever you want for whatever reason you want, but the rest of us who understand the common usage of the terms, know that last year was his Draft +1 year and this is Draft +2.

I have on idea why you are putting so much stock in calling it his Draft +1 when:

1) That's not the most common usage of the term
2) Who the hell cares what year it is. He's making his claim to be an everyday NHL player. Let's be happy about that.
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Don't even bother with him.

Ekblad, Bennett, Reinhart, Draisaitl, Nylander.... they're all D+2.
 
Folks, let's move on from the minutia of how each of you choose to define "draft year". If you'd like, we can move it all to its own thread, but this thread is for Mikko Rantanen (who is 100% awesome, by the way).
 
BB88 said:
I'd guess Barkov, Rantanen, Ristolainen are going to be wearing letters on our national team.
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Probably. Unless Barky doesn't want one. Then it could be Aho also. Ristolainen is the most obvious one to me. Possibly even the C over Rants?
 
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