Rumor: Vladimir Tarasenko requests a trade

[SI]

I think it is. Would want prospect (Wilde?) too.

Another salary would have to go back to have Wilde attached to the deal.

 

[yurnxt]

Keep it simple.

Tarasenko should return either an established top 6 forward with size and lesser cap hit but who isn't as good as top form Tarasenko OR an established top 4 "stay at home" LD with size carrying a lesser cap hit than Tank PLUS a conditional 1st if he plays in 70 or more games or a 2nd if he plays in 50-69 games. No pick if less than 50 GP. No salary or cap retention. 1 player plus 1 conditional pick.

Now that the actual issue in the shoulder is corrected, Tank is still a scary motivated, 70 point, 35G, 35A guy and he will show that to his new team next year.

 

[AvatarAang]

He's going to Tampa, will be placed on IR all season and miraculously feel better game one of the playoffs.

Tampa could have been 18M under the cap and they still would have beaten the Habs, stop pretending like that’s the only reason you lost lol

 

[Svechhammer]

This reminds me of the denial we were in when rumors came out that the Canes were looking to trade Skinner.

Got a feeling there are going to be a couple unhappy Blues fans once this is all said and done.

 

[SI]

Keep it simple.

Tarasenko should return either an established top 6 forward with size and lesser cap hit but who isn't as good as top form Tarasenko OR an established top 4 "stay at home" LD with size carrying a lesser cap hit than Tank PLUS a conditional 1st if he plays in 70 or more games or a 2nd if he plays in 50-69 games. No pick if less than 50 GP. No salary or cap retention. 1 player plus 1 conditional pick.

Now that the actual issue in the shoulder is corrected, Tank is still a scary motivated, 70 point, 35G, 35A guy and he will show that to his new team next year.

I might be wrong, but conditional picks are no longer a thing, right?

 

[bleedblue1223]

This reminds me of the denial we were in when rumors came out that the Canes were looking to trade Skinner.

Got a feeling there are going to be a couple unhappy Blues fans once this is all said and done.

We all know a trade is coming, a lot of us have been seeing it for awhile. Rumors started back in that 18/19 season before we got on our run.

As far as guesses for the return, it could be anything. I could see a similar swap of expensive players that need a change. I could see a team thinking they are getting a 30+ scorer in return. And, I could also see the return being pretty minimal. The trade market this some will be pretty tough to judge with so many players available and a flat cap.

 

[Svechhammer]

We all know a trade is coming, a lot of us have been seeing it for awhile. Rumors started back in that 18/19 season before we got on our run.

I'm talking about expecting a big return only to see it end in a bag of Pu

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'm talking about expecting a big return only to see it end in a bag of Pu

Yeah, added that part to my post. I could see the return being anything, and it just is what it is.

 

[bleedgreen]

Keep it simple.

Tarasenko should return either an established top 6 forward with size and lesser cap hit but who isn't as good as top form Tarasenko OR an established top 4 "stay at home" LD with size carrying a lesser cap hit than Tank PLUS a conditional 1st if he plays in 70 or more games or a 2nd if he plays in 50-69 games. No pick if less than 50 GP. No salary or cap retention. 1 player plus 1 conditional pick.

Now that the actual issue in the shoulder is corrected, Tank is still a scary motivated, 70 point, 35G, 35A guy and he will show that to his new team next year.

Vladimir Tarasenko's return to the Blues: Shoulder specialists see reason for optimism but warn this could be his 'last shot'

So yeah...everyone really hopeful this one works but the experts say he’s close to being done for good. The really fun part of the article is it showing you the two really innocuous hits that dislocated his shoulder in the first place. The second one is more impressive because he’s done the work to build the shoulder up. Regardless of the missed ligament.

So no.....I wouldn’t give you a comparable player. I personally wouldn’t give you a high pick, though a team might. You have no leverage due to him publicly saying he doesn’t want to be there which is a bad thing to have in your room, it’s a flat cap, he actually makes more money than his cap hit this year, and he has say in where he goes. That’s a real poor position to be demanding good players back.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I might be wrong, but conditional picks are no longer a thing, right?

I think conditional picks based on re-signing are no longer a thing.

 

[Captain Mountain]

How about add guhlie and we have a deal.

Really not interested from a Habs perspective (assuming Drouin situation resolves). As much as Tarasenko might bounce back, he hasn't really been better than Drouin the last couple of seasons results-wise (and Drouin has had injury issues too). Montreal's already giving up a (late) 1st and a cheaper, younger player. If Montreal is using their 1st AND Guhle as trade chips, it makes much more sense to try to target a better bet.

 

[Colt55]

This reminds me of the denial we were in when rumors came out that the Canes were looking to trade Skinner.

Got a feeling there are going to be a couple unhappy Blues fans once this is all said and done.

Skinner was never tarasenko lol

 

[Colt55]

Really not interested from a Habs perspective (assuming Drouin situation resolves). As much as Tarasenko might bounce back, he hasn't really been better than Drouin the last couple of seasons results-wise (and Drouin has had injury issues too). Montreal's already giving up a (late) 1st and a cheaper, younger player. If Montreal is using their 1st AND Guhle as trade chips, it makes much more sense to try to target a better bet.

Uh he has been injured last two seasons. Wtf are you talking about please don't sir here and say that drouin is remotely on tarasenkos level. I mean at all. Lol

 

[Svechhammer]

Skinner was never tarasenko lol

Bless your heart, you really think you're getting something big don't ya?

 

[denis5]

I think Blues would have interest in Ebs. Wilde, while not Dobson, is good prospect and we might value him similar to late 1st. Ladd though might be a bit much unless we got another asset to take him (another pick or prospect). Leddy or Clutterbuck in place of Ladd would help you clear salary and give us useful player (since we aren't looking to tear it down).

I'm assuming Leddy would be cleared out as well, either in the expansion draft, or afterwards, in addition to Ebs and Ladd. Clutterbuck doesn't clear out enough salary. Islanders have serious cap issues and those have to be addressed this off season first and foremost. Again -- team needs to move at least $10M this off season and adding Tank's $7.5M to the picture -- especially with the health issues attached -- is a non-starter unless a player like Ladd is going back the other way, or the Blues do max salary retention -- or at least it should be. Any deal can't be a salary wash, or even one that moves a million or two. We are too cap restricted. If Tank were guaranteed healthy maybe something else could be worked out, but as is, the Islanders should otherwise stay far, far away.

 

[Colt55]

What would Blues fans want from the Sharks for him?

Nothing your prospects are not team needs for blues.

 

[Colt55]

Bless your heart, you really think you're getting something big don't ya?

Like is said we will see. Big no 1st and an A level prospect yes.

 

[67Blues]

There isn't anything preventing the Blues from keeping him and trying to move him at the TDL. It would certainly motive Tarasenko to try to play his way to another team if the relationship is not reconcilable. It makes no sense for the Blues to take back buyout candidates, dead salary, or draft picks that have little chance of making the club. Worse case you try and strike a deal with Seattle.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Uh he has been injured last two seasons. Wtf are you talking about please don't sir here and say that drouin is remotely on tarasenkos level. I mean at all. Lol

I know. I explicitly stated that in this thread. You make it sound like Tarasenko is a lock to bounce back. Which is not the case at all. The reality of the Tarasenko situation is (per Rutherford and the Athletic):

1) He's requested a trade.
2) He's got a lot of control where he goes.
3) He's been shopped for a while by Armstrong.
4) The "handful" of GMs who confirmed that Tarasenko was being shopped confirmed they aren't interested.
5) He's coming off 3 shoulder surgeries and there are legitimate questions as to how he'll perform going forward.
6) He makes 9.5 mil next season in an environment were a lot of teams don't want to spend real money.

Getting someone that can approximate Tarasenko's recent level of play or better and a solid future asset while clearing some cap room seems like the best you can hope for. That, or a Subban-like trade where you clear cap space but don't get significant futures.

 

[Colt55]

Another salary would have to go back to have Wilde attached to the deal.

No sorry. Blues do not need Eberle nor do we want him. If he is so great keep him.

Wilde Bellows cluuterbuck

Tarasenko.

 

[Colt55]

I know. I explicitly stated that in this thread. You make it sound like Tarasenko is a lock to bounce back. Which is not the case at all. The reality of the Tarasenko situation is (per Rutherford and the Athletic):

1) He's requested a trade.
2) He's got a lot of control where he goes.
3) He's been shopped for a while by Armstrong.
4) The "handful" of GMs who confirmed that Tarasenko was being shopped confirmed they aren't interested.
5) He's coming off 3 shoulder surgeries and there are legitimate questions as to how he'll perform going forward.
6) He makes 9.5 mil next season in an environment were a lot of teams don't want to spend real money.

Getting someone that can approximate Tarasenko's recent level of play or better and a solid future asset while clearing some cap room seems like the best you can hope for. That, or a Subban-like trade where you clear cap space but don't get significant futures.

Sir as I stated several times. He has already started to bounce back. If you take the time to watch his last 35 games you will see he is healthy and his shot is back. Until you watch him you can't argue. I get it you want him bad and you don't want to give up anything for him. Doesn't everyone want that. The reality is he has good value and that's it.

 

[Colt55]

There isn't anything preventing the Blues from keeping him and trying to move him at the TDL. It would certainly motive Tarasenko to try to play his way to another team if the relationship is not reconcilable. It makes no sense for the Blues to take back buyout candidates, dead salary, or draft picks that have little chance of making the club. Worse case you try and strike a deal with Seattle.

That's what.i said keep him to tdl or 20 games in then sell him for better value

 

[Vladys Gumption]

This reminds me of the denial we were in when rumors came out that the Canes were looking to trade Skinner.

Got a feeling there are going to be a couple unhappy Blues fans once this is all said and done.

I think you’ll find that the majority of us realize the return is more likely than not to be pretty underwhelming. There’s always a few people way out there, but most of us know how value is at an all time low.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Sir as I stated several times. He has already started to bounce back. If you take the time to watch his last 35 games you will see he is healthy and his shot is back. Until you watch him you can't argue. I get it you want him bad and you don't want to give up anything for him. Doesn't everyone want that. The reality is he has good value and that's it.

I have watched him. He is not "back" in any meaningful way. Prime Tarasenko was one of the best forwards in the NHL and he has not been close to that in a while. And I honestly don't want him that badly, but Montreal seems to have a thing for ex-Blues and Russians tend to be cool with playing in Montreal.

The only reason you assume some on here "don't want to give up anything for him" is because you seem to be assuming guys being proposed have no value. But then assign significant value to a guy that has played 34 regular season games the past two seasons.

Hell, you're the one suggesting futures packages which kind of flies in the face of comments made by Armstrong and Stillman.

 

[Svechhammer]

I think you’ll find that the majority of us realize the return is more likely than not to be pretty underwhelming. There’s always a few people way out there, but most of us know how value is at an all time low.

Yeah I believe it. Sometime the situation sucks and there just isn't much you can do. At least in our case, the money freed up allowed us to make some other moves which really helped us take that next step to being a playoff team, so hopefully something similar happens for you.

Its just a shame that sometimes the ones who are on the crazy end of the spectrum happen to be the ones trying to dominate the conversation.