Rumor: Vladimir Tarasenko requests a trade

[Habs Halifax]

The "weak market" for Tarasenko probably has more to do with the expansion draft. A team taking him on would then need to protect him. Let's not pretend this is a business as usual offseason.

I'm assuming his NTC is a full one? It don't show how many teams on cap friendly. If it's a full NTC, he dictates where he ends up and it further complicates the potential trade partner list.

Do the Blues have protection issues? Trade can happen after the expansion draft? If the Blues can't find a trade partner before the expansion draft, I'm assuming you still protect him?

 

[Andre Palot]

Like is said we will see. Big no 1st and an A level prospect yes.

So if I proposed

28th Overall (via NYI)
STL's choice of Nick Merkley or Jesper Boqvist

For Vlad

Surely that would get it done, right?

 

[IslandersFan17]

He'll probably get traded, but Armstrong is exactly the kind of guy that would hold a player hostage if he didn't like the returns he was offered.

The relationship by all means is pretty bad at face value. Very hard to see Tank playing for the blues anymore at this point.

the Gm has pointed out issues with the surgeries publicly, he’s not getting the value he thinks he is.

 

[TruBlu]

I'm assuming his NTC is a full one? It don't show how many teams on cap friendly. If it's a full NTC, he dictates where he ends up and it further complicates the potential trade partner list.

Do the Blues have protection issues? Trade can happen after the expansion draft? If the Blues can't find a trade partner before the expansion draft, I'm assuming you still protect him?

In regards to protection list, we will not lose anyone that is a must keep. That includes the spot Tarasenko holds. I've heard his list is ten teams. However, the Blues hold all the cards here. If he truly wants out then it's in his best interest to give them more teams to work with. There is no incentive for DA to trade him for peanuts since he's locked up for two more years. In fact, there is probably more incentive to keep him hoping his value returns at the TDL this year. Tank is also smart enough to know his value is at an all time low, so he has to perform. His next contract depends on it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

In regards to protection list, we will not lose anyone that is a must keep. That includes the spot Tarasenko holds. I've heard his list is ten teams. However, the Blues hold all the cards here. If he truly wants out then it's in his best interest to give them more teams to work with. There is no incentive for DA to trade him for peanuts since he's locked up for two more years. In fact, there is probably more incentive to keep him hoping his value returns at the TDL this year. Tank is also smart enough to know his value is at an all time low, so he has to perform. His next contract depends on it.

Fair. Players can demand trades but the GM can take their time to find the right trade partner. I don't disagree with anything you said. The only time GM's make moves more quickly is if there is cancer in the room and I doubt that is at play with Taraskenko.

 

[Colt55]

So if I proposed

28th Overall (via NYI)
STL's choice of Nick Merkley or Jesper Boqvist

For Vlad

Surely that would get it done, right?

I didn't realize you had a first. Can't believe i.missed that.
Yes the first and Blichfield would work

 

[Colt55]

The relationship by all means is pretty bad at face value. Very hard to see Tank playing for the blues anymore at this point.

the Gm has pointed out issues with the surgeries publicly, he’s not getting the value he thinks he is.

Then he sits right.

 

[TruBlu]

Fair. Players can demand trades but the GM can take their time to find the right trade partner. I don't disagree with anything you said. The only time GM's make moves more quickly is if there is cancer in the room and I doubt that is at play with Taraskenko.

I have no doubt that DA will try and get Tank moved out if he's not happy here. You want to get something for a guy when you know he'll be walking in a couple of years. With two years left on the contract there's plenty of time to do so. Honestly, I think there is zero chance he's moved before the expansion. It is more of a DA move for him to hold on to him and build back some value before cutting him loose on a trade. The TDL would be a great time to do that, especially if we are on the outside looking in come February.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Nope not at all. But keep thinking that we shall see where it gets you

Will do.

 

[Mogo]

2 years @ 7.5, always injured. Welcome to Buffalo

 

[Colt55]

Yeah, he's not back at all. He doesn't nearly have the offensive zone confidence or strength he once had. He doesn't drive the play like he used to. He's doesn't have the conditioning to battle like he used to. He might get it back given a full offseason + training camp of training, but last season's Tarasenko is a shadow of who he was 3 years ago and everyone around the league knows it.

It comes with time he was off for two years. In his last 8 games nhl and international he was very good. If you objectively watch those games you can see he is fine. But you haven't and you wont.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Another salary would have to go back to have Wilde attached to the deal.

If is short term and still useful, like Clutterbuck. No Ladd.

 

[TruBlu]

2 years @ 7.5, always injured. Welcome to Buffalo

This is a false narrative. It was really one injury that the surgical team that evaluated him did not diagnose properly. It is fixed now. Hockey players get injured. As you can see below he is not injury prone.

Season	Team	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PPG	PPP	SHG	SHP	GWG	OTG	S	S%	FO%
2012-2013	STL	38	8	11	19	1	10	3	5	0	0	1	0	75	10.67	100
2013-2014	STL	64	21	22	43	20	16	5	7	0	0	3	0	136	15.44	33.33
2014-2015	STL	77	37	36	73	27	31	8	18	0	0	6	2	264	14.02	0
2015-2016	STL	80	40	34	74	7	37	12	24	0	0	7	2	292	13.7	0
2016-2017	STL	82	39	36	75	-1	12	9	22	0	0	8	3	286	13.64	50
2017-2018	STL	80	33	33	66	15	17	6	16	0	0	5	2	306	10.78	25
2018-2019	STL	76	33	35	68	8	22	12	22	0	0	5	1	275	12	66.67
2019-2020	STL	10	3	7	10	-2	0	1	3	0	0	0	0	26	11.5	0
2020-2021	STL	24	4	10	14	-7	0	2	6	0	0	0	0	65	6.2	0
Career	-	531	218	224	442	68	145	58	123	0	0	35	10	1,725	12.6	41.9

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[Bye Bye Blueston]

Montreal of course needs a players like that. Tarasenko is a RW. We have plenty of RW especially with Caufield.

the question is why would Montreal double down on the wrong position just to move Drouin? Both players on question marks... why move assets and cap for a player you don’t need? Not only not need, your not even sure he’s the player he once was, and making that trade then restricts you from upgrading your team .

Habs need offence I rather see what Drouin can do than make this trade. It’s not complicated, it’s a sunk cost fallacy to add to Drouin for a “possible” marginal upgrade.

LW left hand shot is the need. Just doesn’t make any sense.

Seems like Drouin needs change of scenery. Too much pressure in Montreal.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

He's got a bad reputation as a soft/skilled winger but personally, I think his biggest issue is he's in Montreal and he was one of several soft wingers and the spin offs from that were exaggerated. Habs do that to their own players all the time and we always have some on target. Gallagher is next. Wait for it.

Drouin to me can help the PP but I can't stress it enough. He needs to be with a physical center and a overall physical group of forwards with little soft wingers. Think Jets... Ehlers with the big boys. Drouin is not as good but similar situation. I think he has more to give but you got to live with his soft style to some degree. He's not the only one in the NHL.

Habs are going to look to move him and find a good spot for him as well. I feel like that will be at play. We might try to add a pick to get Seattle to take him as the 1st approach.

I would take him in St Louis. He really needs fresh start.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I'm assuming his NTC is a full one? It don't show how many teams on cap friendly. If it's a full NTC, he dictates where he ends up and it further complicates the potential trade partner list.

Do the Blues have protection issues? Trade can happen after the expansion draft? If the Blues can't find a trade partner before the expansion draft, I'm assuming you still protect him?

Looks like full ntc. We can protect him. Going to lose pretty good player regardless, especially if we don’t deal Dunn.

 

[Colt55]

This is a false narrative. It was really one injury that the surgical team that evaluated him did not diagnose properly. It is fixed now. Hockey players get injured. As you can see below he is not injury prone.

Season	Team	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PPG	PPP	SHG	SHP	GWG	OTG	S	S%	FO%
2012-2013	STL	38	8	11	19	1	10	3	5	0	0	1	0	75	10.67	100
2013-2014	STL	64	21	22	43	20	16	5	7	0	0	3	0	136	15.44	33.33
2014-2015	STL	77	37	36	73	27	31	8	18	0	0	6	2	264	14.02	0
2015-2016	STL	80	40	34	74	7	37	12	24	0	0	7	2	292	13.7	0
2016-2017	STL	82	39	36	75	-1	12	9	22	0	0	8	3	286	13.64	50
2017-2018	STL	80	33	33	66	15	17	6	16	0	0	5	2	306	10.78	25
2018-2019	STL	76	33	35	68	8	22	12	22	0	0	5	1	275	12	66.67
2019-2020	STL	10	3	7	10	-2	0	1	3	0	0	0	0	26	11.5	0
2020-2021	STL	24	4	10	14	-7	0	2	6	0	0	0	0	65	6.2	0
Career	-	531	218	224	442	68	145	58	123	0	0	35	10	1,725	12.6	41.9

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He actually with 2 missed years has played 81% of all games since he was in league that's impressive. But you know people will say anything to fit thier narrative

 

[Andre Palot]

I didn't realize you had a first. Can't believe i.missed that.
Yes the first and Blichfield would work

Blichfield is Sharks property. I'm talking about the NJ Devils and doing a trade around the NYI's first round pick that they aquired in the Zajac and Palmieri trade (28th overall) and one of our prospects.

 

[rynryn]

i can see where medical problems and team pressure regarding them can lead to burned bridges. Completely understandable from a player perspective.

 

[xxsciroccoxx]

Tampa could have been 18M under the cap and they still would have beaten the Habs, stop pretending like that’s the only reason you lost lol

It's not the only reason; the refs and HUGE goalie equipment didnt help...

 

[BlueDream]

Some good discussion in here.

I’m not sure how I feel about it, but I think Eberle and Drouin are probably the two most realistic names that have been mentioned.

Either of those straight up (with maybe a small prospect add) just sounds like an Armstrong move.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Then he sits right.

Yeah, fantastic asset management.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Some good discussion in here.

I’m not sure how I feel about it, but I think Eberle and Drouin are probably the two most realistic names that have been mentioned.

Either of those straight up (with maybe a small prospect add) just sounds like an Armstrong move.

Agreed. Army won’t deal him just for futures unless he has plan to find another scoring winger.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He actually with 2 missed years has played 81% of all games since he was in league that's impressive. But you know people will say anything to fit thier narrative

Sounds a lot like HFs perception of Skinner back when he was traded. He played something like 92% of his games and yet “injury prone” was brought up frequently.
And no, I’m not saying Skinner was on Tarasenko’s level, just that there’s similarities in their situations.

 

[Ranksu]

i can see where medical problems and team pressure regarding them can lead to burned bridges. Completely understandable from a player perspective.

This.