Blue Jays Discussion: Vladdy named ASG MVP. Draft Over. Now all that's left is the trade deadline

[CatchyTune]

A sacrifice had to be made to get Hatch a start

 

[phillipmike]

I hope im right but i hope this is just 3D chess to get Manoah or someone else to start on July 30th instead of Stripling.

Unless there is a rainout, the projected starters for the first series back to the Rogers Centre will be;

Stripling
Manoah
Ray

Would be nice to get one of Ray or Ryu to go on that first game back. But Manoah would be great too, he would have the intensity for a game like that.

Or perhaps the Jays make a big trade and acquire a big name pitcher by then a la Price? Scherzer would be perfect.

 

[theaub]

Jays home opener and a trash pitcher starting it is an iconic duo though

 

[phillipmike]

Jays home opener and a trash pitcher starting it is an iconic duo though

Very true, only decent starter we had over the years after Halladay was Stroman.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Canada4Gold]

Manoah being maybe injured is bad news, but I'm glad that's the reason Hatch didn't pitch yesterday instead of him being injured instead.

 

[MS]

Fun fact: the Jays currently have a higher run differential than they did when they made the Tulo trade in 2015.

This is a really, really good team.

Baseball-Reference's Pythagorean W-L stat has Toronto at 54-36 which is 6th in MLB behind only the White Sox, Houston, and the NL West SFG/LA/SD cluster.

The 6 lost games to get to the team's actual 48-42 feels like about the right number that have been blown from a bad bullpen in close games and bad managerial decisions in close games.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[SDig14]

Feels like he is repeating himself. I'm interested, assuming they have a plan to add a starter and one more bullpen piece that moves the needle.

Issue is if we are 5 games out at the deadline, going to be hard to give up any significant prospect capital.

 

[phillipmike]

Jays sign their 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th round picks in Hoglund, Dallas, Carter and now Juenger. Just need to sign Tiedemann and they would have their first 5 picks locked up.

Blue Jays draft pool is: $5,775,900. Add the 5% they have an extra $288,795 which makes is $6,064,695.

Bonuses:
Gunnar Hoglund:
Ricky Tiedermann: Has not signed
Chad Dallas: $473,700
Irv Carter: $850,000
Hayden Juenger: $268,200
Total: $4,839,400

Edit: Leaves us with $1,225,295 to sign our 3rd, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th round picks and any overages from rounds 11 to 20 as @metafour was so kindly to point out.

Players drafted in rounds 11 to 20 can be paid up to $125,000 without it counting against the pool.

Remember that the pool is actually just the total of the slot values from rounds 1 through 10. Players drafted after that point only count towards the pool if they are paid over the maximum amount, and in that case only the overage counts against the pool.

 

[jetsforever]

Forgot we'll get to see some pitcher batting @ Mets, that's always fun

 

[dredeye]

Jays sign their 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th round picks in Hoglund, Dallas, Carter and now Juenger. Just need to sign Tiedemann and they would have their first 5 picks locked up.

Blue Jays draft pool is: $5,775,900. Add the 5% they have an extra $288,795 which makes is $6,064,695.

Bonuses:
Gunnar Hoglund:
Ricky Tiedermann: Has not signed
Chad Dallas: $473,700
Irv Carter: $850,000
Hayden Juenger: $268,200
Total: $4,839,400

Leaves us with $1,225,295 to sign the rest of the draft class. $1.225M to sign 16 players including your 2nd highest pick? There is going to be A LOT of underslot deals and no shot at signing Holman.

The slot only counts if the player signs. So it’s going to be interesting to see how they make this work

 

[metafour]

Leaves us with $1,225,295 to sign the rest of the draft class. $1.225M to sign 16 players including your 2nd highest pick? There is going to be A LOT of underslot deals and no shot at signing Holman.

It's not $1,225,295 to sign 16 players because players drafted in rounds 11 to 20 can be paid up to $125,000 (or is it $150,000?) without it counting against the pool.

Remember that the pool is actually just the total of the slot values from rounds 1 through 10. Players drafted after that point only count towards the pool if they are paid over the maximum amount, and in that case only the overage counts against the pool.

 

[theaub]

Not a good night for the ol' run differential trophy.

 

[TGB]

And...Vladdy strikes out twice while leaving 6 on base in a game where they were down early. My point couldn't have been better supported.

 

[JadedRandom]

Not a good night for the ol' run differential trophy.

An even worse night for Ross Stripling. He was one out away from the infinite ERA club and the only type of all-time remembrance his level of play could afford him.

He had greatness at the tips of his fingers and let it slip from his grasp like so many botched pitches. Shame.

 

[phillipmike]

Jays with 3 more signings;

 

[phillipmike]

'The Right Fit': 1st Rounder Gunnar Hoglund Joins the Blue Jays

There was a familiarity with Toronto.
Gunnar Hoglund has been to Blue Jays games, he played at TD Ballpark in high school, and he was born in Toronto's Spring Training home: Dunedin, Florida.

“It’s funny that I was born in Dunedin and now I’m gonna be rehabbing there,” Hoglund said.

It was the control that Toronto director of amateur scouting Shane Farrell first identified on draft night, and it gave the organization confidence Hoglund would be able to smoothly rehab from Tommy John.

Hoglund met with the Blue Jays multiple times throughout the pre-draft process and even visited the facilities where he will now be rehabbing from his season-ending injury. It's an injury that knocked him down the draft board, may have cost him millions in signing-bonus money, and will consume his offseason, but without the injury, he wouldn't be a Blue Jay.

Hoglund has been on Toronto's radar for years, but they never thought he would fall to 19 before the UCL Tear. On draft night, the match was obvious.

"The draft is a crazy thing and we didn't get our hopes up," Hoglund said. "But when the Blue Jays came calling it just felt like the right fit."

 

[Eyedea]

And...Vladdy strikes out twice while leaving 6 on base in a game where they were down early. My point couldn't have been better supported.

Being down 8-0 before you go up to bat makes pretty much any at bat after that as low leverage as can be.

 

[djdev]

And...Vladdy strikes out twice while leaving 6 on base in a game where they were down early. My point couldn't have been better supported.

picking out the potential triple crown winner and and a player who is leading or 2nd the majors in almost every single important offensive category isnt the greatest way to brag about your "unclutch hitting" post. our offense is not the problem with this team. period.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Manuel Beltre (our most recent top international signing) starting out hot in the DSL: 4g .357/.526/.521 1hr 5bb 1so.

 

[TGB]

[MOD]

picking out the potential triple crown winner and and a player who is leading or 2nd the majors in almost every single important offensive category isnt the greatest way to brag about your "unclutch hitting" post.

Why? Is being a fan getting in the way of your observational skills? All I did was say I don't think this team is very clutch right now. And then "boom!" fantastic example exhibited in the next game. But that doesn't count because "No, not VLADDY! Anyone but Vladdy!".

Or is merely pointing out this team's offense isn't very clutch enough to lure out all of the defensive whiners? And why is the idea of a young player not being experienced enough to be reliably clutch seem odd to any of you? It's downright common sense. It usually takes a few years before young players, even offensive juggernauts, become more reliable.

And I hardly blame just Vladdy. Most of the guys so far haven't been all that great. They look good when they're crushing bad pitching but not so much against good pitching. Not really terrible, just kinda average. That's why I asked if there was any stat showing the Jays performance against elite pitching, but no, just more of the usual defensiveness. But, hey, you guys have no trouble crapping all over Matthews and Marner.

Great, is this another one of those forums where people deny all substantiated arguments because they're too fanboyish to accept any kind of criticism? I thought a forum where they have no trouble criticizing the Leafs would be more open than this.

Our offense is not the problem with this team. period.

Never said it was. Period.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Why? Is being a fan getting in the way of your observational skills? All I did was say I don't think this team is very clutch right now. And then "boom!" fantastic example exhibited in the next game. But that doesn't count because "No, not VLADDY! Anyone but Vladdy!".

Or is merely pointing out this team's offense isn't very clutch enough to lure out all of the defensive whiners? And why is the idea of a young player not being experienced enough to be reliably clutch seem odd to any of you? It's downright common sense. It usually takes a few years before young players, even offensive juggernauts, become more reliable.

And I hardly blame just Vladdy. Most of the guys so far haven't been all that great. They look good when they're crushing bad pitching but not so much against good pitching. Not really terrible, just kinda average. That's why I asked if there was any stat showing the Jays performance against elite pitching, but no, just more of the usual defensiveness. But, hey, you guys have no trouble crapping all over Matthews and Marner.

Great, is this another one of those forums where people deny all substantiated arguments because they're too fanboyish to accept any kind of criticism? I thought a forum where they have no trouble criticizing the Leafs would be more open than this.



Never said it was. Period.

I mean this is a lot of words for something you believe and try to justify off random at bats that back up your opinion. The Jays are tied for top in the league with hitting with runners on base. Yes even the best hitters in the world are going to have days where they do not hit the baseball. Hitting is hard. Seems like a really really weird hill to die on in regards to this team lol.

 

[theaub]

What's the argument here exactly?

Are we picking on Vlad's .405/.519/.810 with RISP? His mere .361/.465/.750 with RISP/2 outs? Or his shameful .340/.469/.560 in 'high leverage' sitations?

 

[Advanced stats]

But that doesn't count because "No, not VLADDY! Anyone but Vladdy!"

Are you questioning why people are defending one of the best hitters in the game and someone who has never shown to be "unclutch"?