Blue Jays Discussion: Vladdy named ASG MVP. Draft Over. Now all that's left is the trade deadline

[dredeye]

Business decision, wear a mask unless you're eating will cause people to buy more food at the stadium so they can take their mask off

Just buy a bag of peanuts and keep one in your hand the whole time. Problem solved

 

[aingefan]

Quirkiest Robbie Ray stat.....he has given up 20 HR so far this season, but oddly only 36 runs in total.

Maybe Buck was right?

 

[TF97]

Quirkiest Robbie Ray stat.....he has given up 20 HR so far this season, but oddly only 36 runs in total.

Robbie Ray 2021 rWAR: 3.8
Robbie Ray 2021 fWAR: 1.8

This is why I personally prefer rWAR over fWAR for pitchers. fWAR relies heavily on FIP, which punishes pitchers for allowing HR's. While this is obviously not a flawed approach, it does negatively impact the pitchers such as Ray who, while being homer prone, do excel at limiting base runners. Thus limiting a large percentage of their home runs allowed to solo shots. Estrada having a 4.5 fWAR vs a 7.4 rWAR between 2015-2016 is another example of this.

 

[theaub]

im okay with wearing one in move, but if im sitting outside and several feet away from other people its just overkill, like all the other measures in canada/ ontario

This wasn't enforced at BMO on Saturday so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Discoverer]

Same. That’s why he would not be my first choice. I believe he has the 2nd best ERA in the league. You would be buying high and it would cost a lot.

Would rather buy low on Maeda if possible. Gallen is a name no one is talking about. Arizona is doing a full rebuild and Gallen won’t help them in their next window. Jays have grabbed Ray and other from Arizona recently. Perhaps there is a relationship between the two front offices.

Yeah, I'm not sold on Gibson. Not that I don't like him - he would be a great addition to slot in behind Ryu and Ray - but if you're paying for his ERA, I'm out. I don't think he'll be anywhere close to that guy going forward.

 

[BlueForever75]

Yeah, I'm not sold on Gibson. Not that I don't like him - he would be a great addition to slot in behind Ryu and Ray - but if you're paying for his ERA, I'm out. I don't think he'll be anywhere close to that guy going forward.

I agree. There has to be a better option for us to target then Gibson especially on the Twins. Someone with higher upside and youth that fits the Jays core. Who can that be?

 

[Woodman19]

I agree. There has to be a better option for us to target then Gibson especially on the Twins. Someone with higher upside and youth that fits the Jays core. Who can that be?

 

[dredeye]

I read that the twins aren’t interested in trading anyone that had control past this season. Not sure if that’s just a bargaining move but you know

 

[BlueForever75]

BINGO.

Make a deal that not only strengthens you this year but moving forward in years to come. Opens up many avenues for further deals down the road if you can resign Ray and Matz. Your top 4 rotation spots are solidified for the next 2-3 years.

Ryu
Berrios
Ray
Matz
Manoah

 

[theaub]

Just spent far too much on Jays tix lfg

 

[SDig14]

I can't imagine the Twins get more for Barrios this time next year. They may get a similar return, so maybe they think they can quickly retool this summer and see how they do in the 1st half next year perhaps.

But if they don't think they'll be good next year either, doesn't make much sense to wait it out.

 

[Discoverer]

Fun fact: the Jays currently have a higher run differential than they did when they made the Tulo trade in 2015.

This is a really, really good team.

 

[phillipmike]

Unless there is a rainout, the projected starters for the first series back to the Rogers Centre will be;

Stripling
Manoah
Ray

Would be nice to get one of Ray or Ryu to go on that first game back. But Manoah would be great too, he would have the intensity for a game like that.

Or perhaps the Jays make a big trade and acquire a big name pitcher by then a la Price? Scherzer would be perfect.

 

[Deebo]

 

[canucksfan]

Fun fact: the Jays currently have a higher run differential than they did when they made the Tulo trade in 2015.

This is a really, really good team.

A somewhat healthier bullpen would have helped a lot. I also find the team plays well for a few games and then a few games in a row they make a number of dumb mistakes.

 

[TGB]

All a higher run differential means is they crush bad pitching more than most teams. They're pretty typical against good teams and good pitching. I haven't been impressed with their clutch hitting. They strike out a lot. Frankly, they look a lot like the Maple Leafs right now: incredible young offensive talent, inconsistent defense that looks good enough but tends to fold at the worst times, and a first round exit where they looked like chumps.

Depending on which arm and leg he's a stud that I'd consider giving it for

Pearson or SWR would definitely be one of the pieces at the very least. At least one other top 10 prospect. Don't be surprised if that includes players like Kirk, Martin, or Martinez.

No, I don't care about comparative packages. One problem with being flush with so many prospects is that teams expect to get a little extra from you because they know you can afford it.

Frankly, if the Jays get crushed by the Red Sox in the next two series, I think they should bow out of the race and make moves that focus on the future. Not sell off, just focus on moves that shore up their long term weaknesses. If they can't keep their record up, without any more opportunities to cut into the Rays and A's leads, I just can't see them making up the difference short of a catastrophic failure on the Red Sox and A's part.

 

[djdev]

A somewhat healthier bullpen would have helped a lot. I also find the team plays well for a few games and then a few games in a row they make a number of dumb mistakes.

yep, these upcoming games with boston are huge, we need to continue to push, especially since boston might be vulnerable atm. this is where we show if we should be buyers or not. if we do what we have been doing throughout the season where we look good then after 4 - 5 games lose a few in a row i think we need to hold off on big trades etc.

 

[SDig14]

Delete. Oops.

 

[trellaine201]

Never compare your own bad deals to other teams bad deals, but I think Hyman is a lock for 60 points with McDavid Or Draisaitl. Wouldn't be shocked at all if he had even more if he plays 82 games. I would take that at $5.5M compared to giving Goodrow $3.6M for what, 10 goals and 30 points?

Does he pitch? What are his analytics?

 

[Discoverer]

All a higher run differential means is they crush bad pitching more than most teams.

No, that's not what it means. Run differential is more predictive of future results than win-loss record is.

 

[SDig14]

Does he pitch? What are his analytics?

Not enough stamina to be a starter, seems like an all effort pen arm.

 

[stickty111]

All a higher run differential means is they crush bad pitching more than most teams. They're pretty typical against good teams and good pitching. I haven't been impressed with their clutch hitting. They strike out a lot. Frankly, they look a lot like the Maple Leafs right now: incredible young offensive talent, inconsistent defense that looks good enough but tends to fold at the worst times, and a first round exit where they looked like chumps.



Pearson or SWR would definitely be one of the pieces at the very least. At least one other top 10 prospect. Don't be surprised if that includes players like Kirk, Martin, or Martinez.

No, I don't care about comparative packages. One problem with being flush with so many prospects is that teams expect to get a little extra from you because they know you can afford it.

Frankly, if the Jays get crushed by the Red Sox in the next two series, I think they should bow out of the race and make moves that focus on the future. Not sell off, just focus on moves that shore up their long term weaknesses. If they can't keep their record up, without any more opportunities to cut into the Rays and A's leads, I just can't see them making up the difference short of a catastrophic failure on the Red Sox and A's part.

:headshake:
Read what you just said in the 1st part.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[theaub]

Pain.

 

[kb]