dredeye
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Please stop. First this particular thread is for Jays. We aren’t all leafs fans here. Please stop saying clutch. It’s about as bad an argument as one can make.
Blue Jays Discussion: Vladdy named ASG MVP. Draft Over. Now all that's left is the trade deadline
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dredeye
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How is he even in the majors at all? Jays need to start drafting more clutch guys
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Don't complicate things by giving facts to substantiate your argument
phillipmike
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ShaneFalco
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Do you know what the word "substantiated" means? Because you haven't "substantiated" a single claim you've made about the team's "clutch" hitting.
Yep. It's one of those forums. Made all sorts of calls so far-hell, their draft mirrored my suggestions for what moves they should make at the trade deadline; nobody EVER correctly predicts draft results-but nah, gotta protect those millionaires from minor criticism!
Oh, look. Denial. Right on time.
Anyway, here's your reminder: 6 runners left on base with 2 strikeouts. And nevermind all those times he grounded into double plays with the bases loaded recently, or Hernandez and Grichuk striking out on pitches 2 feet out of the strike zone with a runner on third in the bottom of the tenth. And, oh yeah, absolutely crushed in the playoffs last year.
More than enough to lend some credence to the idea that this team looks an awful lot like the Leafs.
No, we're not. That's the straw man you're all using because it's easier than actually addressing my points. I've never said Vlad is a bad hitter. I just said he's not as great as you guys think he is since there have been many games where he went ham against bad pitching, as has much of the team. When it really mattered, and against great pitching, the team hasn't been all that great. I can't remember a game recently where they manufactured and clawed their way back from a deficit to win. Usually when they do that it's because the other team committed a bunch of errors.
All I'm saying here is this team has crushed bad pitching SO FREAKIN' HARD that it's giving the illusion that they're much better offensively than they really are, a result born out by their actual record against good teams and when performing in the clutch against much better pitching. But you guys are too busy being offended fanboys to even consider the possibility. "STATS!" you repeatedly shout at me like a mantra. Yes, I'm well aware you guys know what the stats SAY, but do any of you know what they MEAN?
Of course, it's not like the team won't get better. It could happen in just the next month especially with daddy Bichette given them hitting advice that has clearly proved to be working for the most part.
Interesting how you guys danced around my point about young players usually needing more experience before they're more consistently clutch. But of course that would require you all to actually read and address my points, heh.
Too speculative to be relevant. Dismissed.
Oh, look. Denial. Right on time.
Anyway, here's your reminder: 6 runners left on base with 2 strikeouts. And nevermind all those times he grounded into double plays with the bases loaded recently, or Hernandez and Grichuk striking out on pitches 2 feet out of the strike zone with a runner on third in the bottom of the tenth. And, oh yeah, absolutely crushed in the playoffs last year.
More than enough to lend some credence to the idea that this team looks an awful lot like the Leafs.
No, we're not. That's the straw man you're all using because it's easier than actually addressing my points. I've never said Vlad is a bad hitter. I just said he's not as great as you guys think he is since there have been many games where he went ham against bad pitching, as has much of the team. When it really mattered, and against great pitching, the team hasn't been all that great. I can't remember a game recently where they manufactured and clawed their way back from a deficit to win. Usually when they do that it's because the other team committed a bunch of errors.
All I'm saying here is this team has crushed bad pitching SO FREAKIN' HARD that it's giving the illusion that they're much better offensively than they really are, a result born out by their actual record against good teams and when performing in the clutch against much better pitching. But you guys are too busy being offended fanboys to even consider the possibility. "STATS!" you repeatedly shout at me like a mantra. Yes, I'm well aware you guys know what the stats SAY, but do any of you know what they MEAN?
Of course, it's not like the team won't get better. It could happen in just the next month especially with daddy Bichette given them hitting advice that has clearly proved to be working for the most part.
Interesting how you guys danced around my point about young players usually needing more experience before they're more consistently clutch. But of course that would require you all to actually read and address my points, heh.
Too speculative to be relevant. Dismissed.
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Smith is having a very good year. He can easily be traded and likely has solid value.
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Other teams are doing the same. Because the draft date was pushed back this year, the signing deadline is much closer to the draft.
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Muston Atthews
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That’s a lot of words to say that you don’t know what you’re talking about
dredeye
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dredeye
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There is so much fail here it’s incredible. No one is dodging your false claims. They have proven you wrong with statistical evidence and your “proof” is individual games where a player didn’t get a hit. Vlad is essentially one of the best hitter in baseball right now if not the best. But you think he isn’t because he struck out a couple of times with men on base. Does that make the guys that got on way better than Vlad because they did have success in their at bats? Like your argument is so so so bad. But hopefully his clutchness will increase with age. But just as an aside. Players tend to not do as well against better because get ready for this. They are better pitchers and subsequently that makes them harder to hit against
Pretty big piece of news and dramatic statement to say he's not trending towards being a starter again but I guess we'll see how the future pans out. That's the reality for some of these electric arms with fitness issues i.e Merryweather. A bit depressing but oh well, we could use a big arm like that in the pen
I disagree with what Scott Mitchell said. he easily still an option as a starter going forward after this year.
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