Blue Jays Discussion: Vladdy named ASG MVP. Draft Over. Now all that's left is the trade deadline

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SDig14

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Don't sports hernias usually take 4-8 weeks to heal assuming you do not go the surgery route? I only really follow in other sports, don't hear them a bunch for pitchers.

Does this mean he is rehabbing and then will have offseason surgery do we think?
 

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Smith is having a very good year. He can easily be traded and likely has solid value.


Not that I dispute Orelvis getting all the praise he deserves, but I'm curious: is the hot sheet a timeframe specific or leaguewide snapshot or something? Or is it trying to crown Orelvis as the Jays' new #1 prospect in the system? If it's the former, I get it. If it's the latter it seems odd to suddenly be dismissing/downlplaying Gabe Moreno spending the better part of this season so far historically murdering minor league pitching as a catcher (who's also decent+ at that job) just because he's been hurt for a couple weeks.
 

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Pretty big piece of news and dramatic statement to say he's not trending towards being a starter again but I guess we'll see how the future pans out. That's the reality for some of these electric arms with fitness issues i.e Merryweather. A bit depressing but oh well, we could use a big arm like that in the pen

They're not saying he's trending towards not being a starter again. They're saying he's not likely to be a starter again this season, likely because they don't want to risk re-aggrivating the injury. I would continue to presume he's a starting pitcher long-term for the seasons beyond this one until someone in the org comes out and explicitly says otherwise.
 

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Not that I dispute Orelvis getting all the praise he deserves, but I'm curious: is the hot sheet a timeframe specific or leaguewide snapshot or something? Or is it trying to crown Orelvis as the Jays' new #1 prospect in the system? If it's the former, I get it. If it's the latter it seems odd to suddenly be dismissing/downlplaying Gabe Moreno spending the better part of this season so far historically murdering minor league pitching as a catcher (who's also decent+ at that job) just because he's been hurt for a couple weeks.

Im quite sure it’s base on weekly performance or maybe recent two weeks.
 

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With all the signings so far I’m not sure how we’ll be able to stay within the allotted signing structure. I know we’ve signed a few guys under slot but it seems like we are still a few hundred away even with the extra 5%. I can’t remember the name of one of the guys left but I’m assuming he’s going heavy under slot
 

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They're not saying he's trending towards not being a starter again. They're saying he's not likely to be a starter again this season, likely because they don't want to risk re-aggrivating the injury. I would continue to presume he's a starting pitcher long-term for the seasons beyond this one until someone in the org comes out and explicitly says otherwise.
Yes, I see. Mitchel wrote "Still maybe SP long-term but it’s not trending that way." which I took away as he isn't trending toward being a starter even long term. I'm not sure what he meant but after thinking about it and seeing the quote from Atkins it doesn't make sense they would write him off as a starter. Good to clear that up that he's likely to be given another chance to start next year.
 

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They're not saying he's trending towards not being a starter again. They're saying he's not likely to be a starter again this season, likely because they don't want to risk re-aggrivating the injury. I would continue to presume he's a starting pitcher long-term for the seasons beyond this one until someone in the org comes out and explicitly says otherwise.

Yeah the Mitchell quote is very misleading here.
 

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Yep. It's one of those forums. Made all sorts of calls so far-hell, their draft mirrored my suggestions for what moves they should make at the trade deadline; nobody EVER correctly predicts draft results-but nah, gotta protect those millionaires from minor criticism!



Oh, look. Denial. Right on time.

Anyway, here's your reminder: 6 runners left on base with 2 strikeouts. And nevermind all those times he grounded into double plays with the bases loaded recently, or Hernandez and Grichuk striking out on pitches 2 feet out of the strike zone with a runner on third in the bottom of the tenth. And, oh yeah, absolutely crushed in the playoffs last year.

More than enough to lend some credence to the idea that this team looks an awful lot like the Leafs.



No, we're not. That's the straw man you're all using because it's easier than actually addressing my points. I've never said Vlad is a bad hitter. I just said he's not as great as you guys think he is since there have been many games where he went ham against bad pitching, as has much of the team. When it really mattered, and against great pitching, the team hasn't been all that great. I can't remember a game recently where they manufactured and clawed their way back from a deficit to win. Usually when they do that it's because the other team committed a bunch of errors.

All I'm saying here is this team has crushed bad pitching SO FREAKIN' HARD that it's giving the illusion that they're much better offensively than they really are, a result born out by their actual record against good teams and when performing in the clutch against much better pitching. But you guys are too busy being offended fanboys to even consider the possibility. "STATS!" you repeatedly shout at me like a mantra. Yes, I'm well aware you guys know what the stats SAY, but do any of you know what they MEAN?

Of course, it's not like the team won't get better. It could happen in just the next month especially with daddy Bichette given them hitting advice that has clearly proved to be working for the most part.

Interesting how you guys danced around my point about young players usually needing more experience before they're more consistently clutch. But of course that would require you all to actually read and address my points, heh.



Too speculative to be relevant. Dismissed.
I'm all for fair criticism but your argument doesn't have much weight.

So because a player isn't perfect, you're going to say they aren't hitting well when needed to? Do you expect these players to hit 1.000 in all RISP situations? Do you have stats for how these players have faired against "great pitching" (as you stated) for the season with runners in scoring position? And when they didn't against "bad pitching"? I'd like to see those stats because then you'll have an argument.
 

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According to Baseball America's draft tracker, 10th round pick Connor Cooke has signed for $141,900 (slot value: $144,400).

That puts us ~$32,995 under slot for our pool total + 5% overage, which means that the max we can pay 3rd round pick Ricky Tiedemann is $680,295.

14th rounder Damiano Palmegiani (JUCO 3B) and 16th rounder Micah Bucknam (HS RHP) are also still unsigned.

This means that there is zero chance that 20th round pick Luke Holman is signable, as expected.
 

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According to Baseball America's draft tracker, 10th round pick Connor Cooke has signed for $141,900 (slot value: $144,400).

That puts us ~$32,995 under slot for our pool total + 5% overage, which means that the max we can pay 3rd round pick Ricky Tiedemann is $680,295.

14th rounder Damiano Palmegiani (JUCO 3B) and 16th rounder Micah Bucknam (HS RHP) are also still unsigned.

This means that there is zero chance that 20th round pick Luke Holman is signable, as expected.
Thanks for this. Tie demand was the name I couldn’t remember. By all accounts I expected him to sign under slot so we don’t have as big a gap to make up as I thought
 

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They're not saying he's trending towards not being a starter again. They're saying he's not likely to be a starter again this season, likely because they don't want to risk re-aggrivating the injury. I would continue to presume he's a starting pitcher long-term for the seasons beyond this one until someone in the org comes out and explicitly says otherwise.

Not just the problem of potentially aggravation of the injury but that there isn't enough time in the year to stretch him out again as a starter and get much of a season as as a starting pitcher, so he'd get better development on use as a reliever. Presumably he'd be available as a power reliever at the MLB level after 1-2 weeks of AAA rehab once healthy, while it would take more than a month to build him up to start.
 

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Ive never seen so many injuries and just dumb injuries to a team. Everyone on the training staff should be fired. Cost the jays a playoff spot. Pathetic.
 

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Bowden Francis had a no hitter going through 6 today. Gave up a HR in the 7th as his only hit over 7. 2 walks, 7 K's

Smith HR off Carrasco, Kirk 4 for 5 with a HR

Groshans 3 for 3 with a walk. OPS up to .819 now
 
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