Seravalli: Vegas and Buffalo working on framework of Eichel trade

[tkb81]

The Knights have played 46 playoff games in their 3 total seasons in the NHL.

I don't think they've given much reason to doubt their methods so far.

and they have made it past the first round 300% more times than the leafs ... haha have to throw in a leafs burn sorry guys its in my nature

*the on topic part is the success of the knights (puke emoji) in the playoffs

 

[is the answer jesus]

I agree it should seem easy knowing that it will end up being a discounted acquisition, but I'd imagine it's a tough sell though when discussing it to your owner. 10 mill a year is a huge price tag when he has an extremely serious issue. Neck injuries are taken extremely serious.

It can be a pretty scarey acquisition.

Now having said that, you know Eichels face will be plastered all over the billboards on the strip and his jersey will be a hot ticket too... so as an owner, u take that into consideration too

I think it should be a relatively easy sell to an owner. Here's how it goes. This franchise player that almost never becomes available is now available. We can get him at a reduced price and send a bunch of our current salary out the door in the process. Our doctors have reviewed his medicals and have determined he has a very high likelihood of recovery post surgery. In Vegas' case this fills by far the biggest void in their organization and makes a legitimate cup contender that much more dangerous.

 

[Djp]

I believe the deal is around

Vegas—Theodore+ Krebs+ $4M+ salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1sts+ prospect
Calgary— Anderssen+ Zary+$4M+salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1st+ Prospect

Buffalo sends Eichel + Pysyk/ 50%Miller + Bjork

both Vegas and Calgary have tight space this year and need space next year.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Got to be Krebs and conditional picks plus cap. Who do the Knights have to dump salary that isn’t an important piece?

See that's the thing they have to make the money work so that's why I'm interested in this, is it Rielly Smith? Probably because Buffalo can sell him at the deadline but he only covers half the salary, and if it is Smith, they already have Tuch, Stone and Patches injured so who will score on the wing?

If it's William Karlsson that's a big whole at center until Eichel gets back.

If Buffalo wants Chandler Stephens that's Vegas leading scorer

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

I believe the deal is around

Vegas—Theodore+ Krebs+ $4M+ salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1sts+ prospect
Calgary— Anderssen+ Zary+$4M+salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1st+ Prospect

Buffalo sends Eichel + Pysyk/ 50%Miller + Bjork

both Vegas and Calgary have tight space this year and need space next year.

Win now teams don't trade their top pair defensemen away.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I think it should be a relatively easy sell to an owner. Here's how it goes. This franchise player that almost never becomes available is now available. We can get him at a reduced price and send a bunch of our current salary out the door in the process. Our doctors have reviewed his medicals and have determined he has a very high likelihood of recovery post surgery. In Vegas' case this fills by far the biggest void in their organization and makes a legitimate cup contender that much more dangerous.

It all depends who will be shipped out I guess. If the reduced price involves Theodore in any way, I say hell no. I know some fans don't wanna lose Krebs, but IMO he can easily be involved. Sure he is a good Young player, but he can forsure be included

If a dman is involved, it'll be Hague

 

[Vasilevskiy]

I believe the deal is around

Vegas—Theodore+ Krebs+ $4M+ salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1sts+ prospect
Calgary— Anderssen+ Zary+$4M+salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1st+ Prospect

Buffalo sends Eichel + Pysyk/ 50%Miller + Bjork

both Vegas and Calgary have tight space this year and need space next year.

Getting Theodore alone would be a win for Buffalo.
No way Vegas trades Shea Theodore

 

[is the answer jesus]

It all depends who will be shipped out I guess. If the reduced price involves Theodore in any way, I say hell no. I know some fans don't wanna lose Krebs, but IMO he can easily be involved. Sure he is a good Young player, but he can forsure be included

If a dman is involved, it'll be Hague

I don't believe for a second Theodore is involved, I'd love to be wrong though.

 

[HanSolo]

I think it should be a relatively easy sell to an owner. Here's how it goes. This franchise player that almost never becomes available is now available. We can get him at a reduced price and send a bunch of our current salary out the door in the process. Our doctors have reviewed his medicals and have determined he has a very high likelihood of recovery post surgery. In Vegas' case this fills by far the biggest void in their organization and makes a legitimate cup contender that much more dangerous.

Alternatively, Vegas' debilitating shiny new toy syndrome bears potential for a disastrous effect on the team's long term success.

Most of Vegas' best players are either right in the middle of their prime or close to regression. Their established youth consists of Theodore, Krebs, Whitecloud, Tuch and Hague. We're talking about trading two of those 5 guys plus one more roster player for an established number one center. When the play of their core starts tailing off, who do they have in the pipeline to replace them?

I'll use my lifelong team as an example. Anaheim enjoyed long term status as a competitive team by drafting well and having a steady stream of solid young players to either come in and play well on their roster or wsre used to trade for solid but not blockbuster level roster talents. There were some good trades but a lot of them weren't. Eventually the Ducks ran out of good assets to supplement their roster and were forced into a rebuild. But at least they always had a strong pipeline and right now they're working on a solid foundation of talent behind guys like Zegras, Drysdale, Terry, Gibson, Lindholm, Comtois, etc.

The more Vegas burns every asset with value for the big name that suddenly becomes available the less they have to work with to keep their overall roster strong. As is right now we have a handful of injuries and it's resulted in playing a fourth line of entirely AHLers.

If this trade really does take Krebs, Theodore, another roster player and a first rounder, the Knights will have to basically hope the core they've got is enough and pray that Eichel is the same talent by the time he's recovered from surgery.

As a fan, I think this is too risky to be worth it.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I believe the deal is around

Vegas—Theodore+ Krebs+ $4M+ salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1sts+ prospect
Calgary— Anderssen+ Zary+$4M+salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1st+ Prospect

Buffalo sends Eichel + Pysyk/ 50%Miller + Bjork

both Vegas and Calgary have tight space this year and need space next year.

You honestly think Vegas would end up having to give up that package? ... that is INSANE.. Two 1sts on top of all that???!

Theodore
Krebs
A 4 mill dollar player(Tuch is closest to that)
Another player with 2 years + left
Another prospect
1st
1st

That's simply outrageous

The return won't even come close to that. Vegas wouldn't even give near that up for a healthy Eichel, let alone an Eichel that needs major surgery and will miss this season

 

[5 Minute Major]

I'm sure Buffalo has engaged in talks with at least a few teams where the "frame work" for a deal is discussed but nothing comes
to fruition.

I mean, isn't that what GM's do on any trade discussions? Talk about possible frame work?

Nothing about this report makes me optimistic a deal will get done.

 

[Super Cake]

I request a ban on all media and threads here on hf boards that have to do with Eichel until a trade is actually completed.

 

[Team Cozens]

Alternatively, Vegas' debilitating shiny new toy syndrome bears potential for a disastrous effect on the team's long term success.

Most of Vegas' best players are either right in the middle of their prime or close to regression. Their established youth consists of Theodore, Krebs, Whitecloud, Tuch and Hague. We're talking about trading two of those 5 guys plus one more roster player for an established number one center. When the play of their core starts tailing off, who do they have in the pipeline to replace them?

I'll use my lifelong team as an example. Anaheim enjoyed long term status as a competitive team by drafting well and having a steady stream of solid young players to either come in and play well on their roster or wsre used to trade for solid but not blockbuster level roster talents. There were some good trades but a lot of them weren't. Eventually the Ducks ran out of good assets to supplement their roster and were forced into a rebuild. But at least they always had a strong pipeline and right now they're working on a solid foundation of talent behind guys like Zegras, Drysdale, Terry, Gibson, Lindholm, Comtois, etc.

The more Vegas burns every asset with value for the big name that suddenly becomes available the less they have to work with to keep their overall roster strong. As is right now we have a handful of injuries and it's resulted in playing a fourth line of entirely AHLers.

If this trade really does take Krebs, Theodore, another roster player and a first rounder, the Knights will have to basically hope the core they've got is enough and pray that Eichel is the same talent by the time he's recovered from surgery.

As a fan, I think this is too risky to be worth it.

I believe additional players / prospects will be going to Vegas along with Jack. This could end up being a very large trade in terms of number of pieces.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

And this is exactly why the Sabres should have supported Jack in his choice of surgery back in June when he wanted to first get it done. Jack would be playing now and the trade return would be so much more than what it is now. Pretty much the Sabres ruined their asset’s value. Makes no sense.

again (as I explained yesterday), Adams can’t just override what his team of doctors is saying.

If Kevyn Adams could just ok the surgery Eichel wants, why wouldn’t he?

Why wouldn’t Adams approve the surgery if he could? Do you think he’s doing this out of spite?

It would make trading Eichel so much easier.

The issue is that their doctors are vehemently against the ADR surgery. They think it’s too risky.

That’s why teams interested in trading for Eichel have had to make sure their doctors are ok with the surgery Eichel wants. There was reportedly 5 teams that were ok with it (and a number more that were not).

 

[jaric1862]

How in the world does Vegas make this work cap wise?

 

[HanSolo]

I believe additional players / prospects will be going to Vegas along with Jack. This could end up being a very large trade in terms of number of pieces.

Right. Which is why I'm not all that interested in it happening.

The wheeling and dealing on blockbuster moves can only happen so many times before Vegas sets itself up for needing a rebuild in 4-5 years. Less if Jack isn't the same player after surgery

 

[Legion34]

How in the world does Vegas make this work cap wise?

has to be tuch and smith I think.

 

[Jim Bob]

How in the world does Vegas make this work cap wise?

Vegas’s cap situation and Dadanov’s M-NTC are likely the two things creating all this back and forth.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I believe the deal is around

Vegas—Theodore+ Krebs+ $4M+ salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1sts+ prospect
Calgary— Anderssen+ Zary+$4M+salary player with 2+ yrs term + 2 1st+ Prospect

Buffalo sends Eichel + Pysyk/ 50%Miller + Bjork

both Vegas and Calgary have tight space this year and need space next year.

Im fairly confident both of those are miles off the mark. Theodore is worth as much as healthy Eichel by himself, let alone injured. Calgary is 6-1-1 they definitely would not still be talking if the ask is around their #1 RD

 

[is the answer jesus]

Alternatively, Vegas' debilitating shiny new toy syndrome bears potential for a disastrous effect on the team's long term success.

Most of Vegas' best players are either right in the middle of their prime or close to regression. Their established youth consists of Theodore, Krebs, Whitecloud, Tuch and Hague. We're talking about trading two of those 5 guys plus one more roster player for an established number one center. When the play of their core starts tailing off, who do they have in the pipeline to replace them?

I'll use my lifelong team as an example. Anaheim enjoyed long term status as a competitive team by drafting well and having a steady stream of solid young players to either come in and play well on their roster or wsre used to trade for solid but not blockbuster level roster talents. There were some good trades but a lot of them weren't. Eventually the Ducks ran out of good assets to supplement their roster and were forced into a rebuild. But at least they always had a strong pipeline and right now they're working on a solid foundation of talent behind guys like Zegras, Drysdale, Terry, Gibson, Lindholm, Comtois, etc.

The more Vegas burns every asset with value for the big name that suddenly becomes available the less they have to work with to keep their overall roster strong. As is right now we have a handful of injuries and it's resulted in playing a fourth line of entirely AHLers.

If this trade really does take Krebs, Theodore, another roster player and a first rounder, the Knights will have to basically hope the core they've got is enough and pray that Eichel is the same talent by the time he's recovered from surgery.

As a fan, I think this is too risky to be worth it.

Pipelines can be rebuilt. Vegas is in win now mode and Eichel is more than the shiny new toy. He's an elite player that fills their biggest organizational hole. To flip the conversation back to Anaheim, do you think Anaheim regrets giving all those futures up for Chris Pronger? It surely made it harder to rebuild in the following years.

 

[Jim Bob]

has to be tuch and smith I think.

I would expect Vegas would rather move Dadanov than Smith. But that M-NTC…

 

[Mike Jones]

How in the world does Vegas make this work cap wise?

One of the reasons why I would bet that there is a third team in the mix somewhere.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Win now teams don't trade their top pair defensemen away.

Especially for a player who won't be helping them on the ice any time soon. Those trades could possibly happen in the offseason, but don't make much sense now.

 

[Legion34]

I would expect Vegas would rather move Dadanov than Smith. But that M-NTC…

ya I don’t see how he waives it. Smith allows buff to trade for assets

 

[Jim Bob]

ya I don’t see how he waives it. Smith allows buff to trade for assets

I don’t know that Vegas wants to give Smith up given how important he is for them right now.

Plus, his deal being up after the season helps their 22-23 cap.

We shall see.