Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

It's hyperbole to make a point. When I was a kid, my dad was a teacher with a yearly salary, but he only received paychecks during the school year. So while he got an annual salary, he didn't get paid during summer break. But thanks for explaining HRR to me anyway.
Your entire point was if the salary cap is going to apply to the playoffs, then the players should get paid.

The NHLPA as a collective group do get paid to participate in the playoffs. The system does not penalize players that happen to play on a good or bad team (depending on how you view the additional work asked of the players on playoff teams). Since there are no eligible contracts added to NHL rosters after the trade deadline, there are minimal adjustments made to HRR. From a competitive standpoint, there should be no reason why the salary cap does not apply (in some capacity) in the playoffs.

It does not affect Owner's revenues so there is no incentive for them to care about it.
 
I'm just waiting for the first deadline "mental health" LTIR, to come back for the playoffs.

As far as I understand this would be possible too.
That'll probably be there go to next year if Stone magically stays healthy
 
Meanwhile someone on the Devils board was arguing that using LTIR was bad and we should avoid doing that during the Hamilton injury. Turns out he probably wouldn't have come back until maybe conference finals anyway.

Devils could have fit in Tanev, Hanifin, and a goalie with their space.....though would have taken too many assets to acquire them.
 
The League can fix it by getting rid of the cap (right?).

How does it work for the NFL, NBA, and MBA?

I'd guess the MBA does not have this issue as they don't seem to have parity. What about the NFL and NBA?

Also pretty sure the Champions League doesn't have this issue, you can just pay whatever you want to get a player.
 
No it doesn't. They would keep the roster as it was without being to use the LTIR player.
LTIR is meant to allow for teams to replace a player that they realistically don't expect to be back. Or if a player suffers a career ending injury, not to milk out an injury until the cap no longer applies.
There should never be a situation where, 11m player gets injured, but is going to come back for the PO, and the team then spends that 11m on players at the deadline and then starts crying but we wanted our 11m player for the PO too.
There doesn't need to be a mechanism outside of if you didn't activate the LTIR player for the last day, then he cannot dress for a game. there's no roster limits in the PO so it's not like they lose anything by having him move to regular IR on the last day of the season.
I don't generally have an issue with LTIR but Vegas has gotten brazen enough with it that it does need to be fixed.

If the NHL season is 100 days,
If the players is going to play in the PO, he needs to be on a cap compliant roster on the last business day of the season. moving him to regular IR doesn't use a roster spot so no issue there but waivers are still in effect so they can't just bury players to open space to dress him.

No games get scheduled on day 100, LTIR players get "activated" to regular IR. If they cannot be cap compliant on day 100 with the LTIR players activated, then the LTIR player can't play in the PO. players aren't paid for the PO so no money is lost by the player and If you're expecting a LTIR player back for the season, you shouldn't be using all of the LTIR pool on deadline pickups.

the 2nd idea doesn't do away with LTIR, it gives teams that lose a player a buffer (~2m) to replace a player, it doesn't give a team a 10m cap increase that can be dispersed across the roster, because again the idea of LTIR is to replace that player, not give the roster an entire face lift with it, which is what has been happening instead.

Yet another option is that LTIR open up salary to be spent on 1 player up to the players cap hit.
So in the case of Stone, they could add 1 player at up to 9.5m. but not add 2 players with a 4.5m cap hit. It would let them add Hertl but not Hanifin (or vice versa)

There's many options to fix it, teams like Vegas, Tampa and Chicago have milked it because they were fortunate enough to have an significant salaried player get injured around the deadline for about long enough to milk it to the PO when the cap no longer applies. Which would typically be a 1 off, but Vegas has just gotten so blatantly obvious with it at this point though that it needs to be addressed, you have healthy players sitting out game 80/81/82 because they wouldn't be cap compliant.... i mean they're "unhealthy" and somehow 100% healthy 2-3days later for the game 1 of the PO.
Really doubling down on Vegas,

but failed to mention they were cap compliant for every playoff game last year.
 
Honestly, hard to take this league seriously after this if they keep it happening.
2 of the franchises thats won in the past few years have now done this, Vegas keeps on doing it..Doesnt seem right.
Been going on since 2015.

 
Vegas has been patchy so far.

But adding a player of Stone's caliber immediately makes them significantly better. A PPG two-way stud with proven playoff success is a serious addition.

As it currently stands, Dallas's division win would give them the prize of dealing with a stacked Knights lineup. :laugh:

Respect to Vegas. You gotta do what you gotta do to win.
 
Really doubling down on Vegas,

but failed to mention they were cap compliant for every playoff game last year.
Funny because there is no cap in the PO so of course they were compliant. If the cap applied in the PO they would have been over
 
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I mean what are the odds the same player has a Jesus-like resurrection 2 years in a row to miraculously heal just in time for the playoffs , talk about luck being on your side :sarcasm:
 
Cause there's no exact. science with injuries. Sure, they have guidelines but you might expect. guy to be back for the playoffs and then at the end of his rehab he has a setback and now hes out an extra month.
You don't rehab an injured spleen. The only "rehab" is conditioning to be in game shape. The spleen heals when it heals and its very easy to see if it has healed with diagnostic imaging.
 
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Multiple reports say he will be ready for game 1 of the playoffs and has been doing physical activities for a few weeks now. Was spotted golfing in Vancouver this week when Vegas was in town.

What a miracle of medicine practice the Knights continue to be.



It’s amazing that he won’t be healthy enough for game 82 but will be all in for game 1, how on earth could they have been this lucky..


Everyone knew the situation the moment this injury/all those moves happened
 
Meanwhile in Minneapolis, the Wild will be undergoing yet another year of 15M in cap penalties, for signing players to contracts that were retroactively(it was kosher according to the CBA at the time) deemed to be circumventing the cap.

Confusing. Isn't the intent behind the rules to have a level playing field financially, so wealthier franchises don't have an undue advantage over less wealthy franchises? Why is one instance punished, another not?
 
If the Golden Knights had any fans those fans would be feeling a little heat right now.
One thing I’ve realized about Vegas fans, especially the ones on social media, they’re only interested in being assholes to other fanbases. They stalk, obsess and make everything about them. The loudest ones will be the first ones to jump ship when they no longer have the upper hand.

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It’s amazing that he won’t be healthy enough for game 82 but will be all in for game 1 AGAIN.

Everyone knew the situation the moment this injury/all those moves happened
FTFY
 
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It’s amazing that he won’t be healthy enough for game 82 but will be all in for game 1
It's kind of a joke if the league doesn't request medical imaging documents which will clearly show if he should have been cleared for non-contact earlier. The only thing that needs to happen for him to be cleared for non-contact is the results of his imaging showing that the spleen has healed to resume moderate to vigorous physical activity without contact. Things like discomfort are not criteria for safe return to non-contact because this is an organ injury not a musculoskeletal injury.
 
Devils could have fit in Tanev, Hanifin, and a goalie with their space.....though would have taken too many assets to acquire them.
What are the Devils gonna do with those assets? The lineup is basically already full with Hamilton back and no upcoming draft pick is going to step into the NHL and be a factor for the next 5 years.
 
Most obvious cap circumvention I've seen. Shouldn't be allowed. But its the NHL we are talking about and its one of their expansion children.

Imagine if a Canadian team tried doing this. I bet something would be done about it.
 
HFBoards medical experts are on the case again, I see.

When these guys are just back in time for game 1 it’s too …ng obvious

Nope just can’t play in game 82 but next day you are 100% cleared to play, the day the cap disappears
 

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