Of course he’s injured, I didn’t see anyone really questioning that. What is just absolutely amazing is his ability to be ready for exactly day one of the playoffs. Not a game early, which would be an issue for Vegas, and never missing a game if the playoffs. It is quite remarkable.
Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.
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Bee Holder
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*muffled cough* it's actually 3 years in a row...I mean what are the odds the same player has a Jesus-like resurrection 2 years in a row to miraculously heal just in time for the playoffs , talk about luck being on your side
zar
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PuckG
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"It's not cheating because we've cheated 3 times before and nobody said anything then, so we cheated again and its not cheating, I swear."
League needs the smarten the **** up.
League needs the smarten the **** up.
Bee Holder
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Proposal:
Any regular roster player (*you can amend it here with something like "..that was on the IR or LTIR") who doesn't play at least 1 game within the last 5 of the season cannot play during the first 2 rounds of the playoffs.
Any regular roster player (*you can amend it here with something like "..that was on the IR or LTIR") who doesn't play at least 1 game within the last 5 of the season cannot play during the first 2 rounds of the playoffs.
North Cole
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Lmfao, my team wouldn't even dare attempt to do this. We had to pay a 3rd because the NHL deemed a trade condition fulfilled based on prorated stats. No chance obvious LTIR foolery gets a pass.
Ted Hoffman
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Because we've explained why you can't countless times, and people still don't want to listen.
I'm sure the owners will be all over that.
When I heard Stone was practicing, that was my immediate thought: he won't play Game 1, he'll play Game 2.
People can be mad and bitch and whine and demand inane "solutions" that don't solve anything, or they can realize how the game is played and work with that. Or, if you're an opposing team, you can look over at the Vegas bench and say "I really don't give a f*** who you're playing, we're still beating your ass in this series" and go do it.
avsfan9
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I agree, but also why can’t they have a cap in the playoffs as well. You can have as many players as you want but you can only dress to the cap.
Sol
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Don't know what point there is to act like this isn't most likely cap circumvention for the playoffs.
Ted Hoffman
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Because .... mods, I'd like a hot key to post an explanation of why a cap in the playoffs won't work every time someone asks this question, so I don't have to type it out 112,003 times. TIA.
Proposal: come up with a proposal the NHLPA will actually sign off on, because they're never signing off on this one. Or every other one people have tried to offer.
Shocked! Shocked!. Honestly it's embarrassing for the league at this point. No one can question bettman will do whatever it takes to help out some markets
The thing is, though, that as long as it was legitimate to get long term injury relief for him at some stage, they're within the rules.
I went carefully through the collective bargaining agreement looking for a requirement that a player come off injured reserve (and the team stop collecting long term injury relief) when the player is healthy enough to play. When he's first hurt the team may (but isn't required to) put him on injured reserve to use his roster spot, it may (but isn't required to) collect long term injury relief against the cap hit any time going back to his original injury and they may (but aren't by the rules required to) activate a player when the player is healthy enough to play. I was really surprised, but could find nothing that said a player must be activated when healthy.
Possibly something got missed in the CBA or, more likely, a decision was made to allow some flexibility so that players can work themselves back into shape in practice rather than go straight into games as soon as the injury has healed sufficiently.
So far as I could find it is perfectly legal to hold a player out for a while after he is healthy enough to play.
However frustrating it is to see teams gain an advantage that way, there's no point in complaining about breach of rules when the rules aren't being breached, so in my opinion those that suggest rules changes to deal with it are taking the right approach.
Ted Hoffman
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This is what everyone needs to remember. Read it as many times as needed until it clicks.
Except, they're taking ham-fisted approaches that don't really solve the problem they're complaining about and instead create new problems they want everyone to ignore because they need to "fix" the "problem" they're complaining about.
Goose
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Just heard he might make it back for the playoffs.
Phew, that was close. What a lucky break how the timing worked out.
Phew, that was close. What a lucky break how the timing worked out.
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zar
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The response to the question asked should have just been; “the NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs will start 7 days following Mark Stone’s annual dawning of the red jersey after his 2-3 month stay on LTIR. He’s kinda like that groundhog, Punxsutawney Phil … “Manitoba Mark”… “did he see his red jersey?”
The NHL should consider scheduling the playoffs only when they get the go ahead from Vegas doctors.
Chips
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That wasn’t exactly not implied.
That aspect of it I don’t even know why fans care, especially in light of the fact the team was basically done without him.
He played through a skin condition and probably damaged his body taking tons of meds you’re not supposed to take for a long time, to benefit the team. They can keep paying him on LTIR without ending the contract. Beyond that every team did and does a cap wiggling with timing of the payments and signing bonuses and such. The Blackhawks were just one of many. That’s just how cap environment works. Does not change that he had a serious skin issue worth retiring for.
Backstrom got a serious hip issue playing for the Caps. They gave him his legacy contract anyway and he got paid retirement. I have no issue with that as a Caps fan
If I needed a hip replaced and my team had one more cup year I’d probably suffer through it, then retire too regardless if I got years left, especially if I got the bulk as a signing bonus years before. I’m pretty sure you and most everyone complaining about Hossa would do the same.
Fans just want something to complain about, and the Blackhawks were winning too much. Then it was the Bolts
