Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

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It’s amazing that he won’t be healthy enough for game 82 but will be all in for game 1, how on earth could they have been this lucky..


Everyone knew the situation the moment this injury/all those moves happened
What are you talking about, it's obviously an amazing miraculous recovery! Doctors have him ruled out for the season, it's far too risky to play with that kind of injury. But the hardest part of the year where guys are cross checking you on almost every shift, totally ready and healed for that in 2 magical days!
 
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What are you talking about, it's obviously an amazing miraculous recovery! Doctors have him ruled out for the season, it's far too risky to play with that kind of injury. But the hardest part of the year where guys are cross checking you on almost every shift, totally ready and healed for that in 2 magical days!

& just by the celebrating of cap going away

In no way would he have been healthy enough for a day earlier

& Vegas just hyping this up makes it worse, they know what’s up and are just saying fu to everyone

It's kind of a joke if the league doesn't request medical imaging documents which will clearly show if he should have been cleared for non-contact earlier. The only thing that needs to happen for him to be cleared for non-contact is the results of his imaging showing that the spleen has healed to resume moderate to vigorous physical activity without contact. Things like discomfort are not criteria for safe return to non-contact because this is an organ injury not a musculoskeletal injury.

We need a rule where if you aren’t playing by game 82 you atleast have to miss couple of games of the playoffs or the 1st week or so as in put in ir
 
There's too much wrong here about how this stuff actually works to respond to, so I'm only going to respond to the "LTIR is meant to allow for teams to replace a player that they realistically don't expect to be back." That's entirely untrue. LTIR is 100% intended to ensure teams can keep putting out a similar quality team even when they're going to be without someone for a while. It's 10 games and 24 days, not however long is left in the season.

Like I said earlier, I'm not saying this is fair or isn't a problem. I'm saying it's not really something that can be solved... and certainly not easily.
Just make it so if you put a player on LTIR, they have to miss 25 games (reg season or playoffs). That way you can't bulk up at the deadline.
 
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Meanwhile in Minneapolis, the Wild will be undergoing yet another year of 15M in cap penalties, for signing players to contracts that were retroactively(it was kosher according to the CBA at the time) deemed to be circumventing the cap.

Confusing. Isn't the intent behind the rules to have a level playing field financially, so wealthier franchises don't have an undue advantage over less wealthy franchises? Why is one instance punished, another not?

Those $15m in dead cap are from buyouts. The Wild didn't have to do that.

You can also make the case that the Wild knew those contracts weren't going to be finished. Parise and Suter would still have a year left on those original deals, and they've both been gone from the Wild for 3 years. You push the envelope, you take the risk with the reward. Whereas an injury, or "injury", half way through a season, is/could be, unpredictable.

And a big part of this is the PA. They're not pushing to crack down on any of this either. Just like it might help a team out one day in the future, so, you let something slide, the players around the league might be on a team that takes advantage of it one day, and might get a Cup out of it. 30 years later, nobody is going to care about some detail like, wait, wasn't that one guy on LTIR, you guys added too much cap, and then the LTIR guy came back for the playoffs? It's just going to be, my name is on the Cup.
 
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Just make a rule where the guy with the biggest LTIR hit can't return for the first round if you utilized that LTIR space to take on another contract that puts you over the cap. Unless you have him play in the last few games while being cap compliant. Just make some sort of rule so that the return date isn't Game 1. Stone was obviously injured but then the Knights would have had to make the decision to go the first round without him before trading for Hertl.
 
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Maybe the other teams and general managers should start loudly complaining…or start doing it themselves.
 
Just make a rule where the guy with the biggest LTIR hit can't return for the first round if you utilized that LTIR space to take on another contract that puts you over the cap. Unless you have him play in the last few games while being cap compliant. Just make some sort of rule so that the return date isn't Game 1. Stone was obviously injured but then the Knights would have had to make the decision to go the first round without him before trading for Hertl.
I just don't understand why you can't have a ghost cap in the playoffs.
 
The sad part is that nobody will care when he's actually injured. The guy is the NHL's version of the Never Cry Wolf kid.

"Ow, my spleen!"
He’s literally injured, and always is lol. He’s injury prone.

I swear sports fans are paranoid. The NHL does look at LTIR stuff or everyone would fake shit


Also, surprise, Hossa actually had a severe skin condition. He played with it for years by taking meds with pretty severe side effects that got worse and stopped being worth it after a while/after he won a bunch of shit
 
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There isn't anything to "fix" ...... teams cannot control when their players get injured, it just so happens that Stone was hurt shortly before the deadline the last two years.

What if Stone tore his ACL ind December and was out for the season? Does that make it slightly better for the people complaining or?
pure envy of Cup Winners
 
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He’s literally injured, and always is lol. He’s injury prone.

I swear sports fans are paranoid. The NHL does look at LTIR stuff or everyone would fake shit


Also, surprise, Hossa actually had a severe skin condition. He played with it for years by taking meds with pretty severe side effects that got worse and stopped being worth it after his pay dropped to 1m
Fixed that for you
 
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Maybe the other teams and general managers should start loudly complaining…or start doing it themselves.
They don’t complain because they want to be able to do it themselves. They want flexibility when the need arises for multiple potential reasons.
I just don't understand why you can't have a ghost cap in the playoffs.
So basically make healthy players sit.


The players wouldn’t like that, and really the league wouldn’t like that. The game is better with more talent playing. Super teams are fun (not that the Knights are even close to a super team, people falsely equate every dollar spent as equal in talent)


Every team can build a top team. Just not every team is capable. Every team can spend assets to add to their roster when a guy gets injure, and or not make stars wait till the summer to get operations they need. Just not every team is capable of it, whether because they can’t draft and or develop, make savvy trades, spend draft capital wisely, spend cap space wisely etc


The Knights, like the Bolts and the Blackhawks before them, aren’t “making a mockery of the game”. They’re playing within the system, and they just do it better.


The cap was never truly about parity, and even still every team is playing within a set frame that keeps them close. Toronto and NYC not buying every Olympic roster is enough.

The Knights are still extremely beatable.
 
Just like how I felt about St Louis basically getting away with murder in 2019, you have to just respect that they know that the league isn't going to do anything about it and are fully taking advantage of that. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
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Because the league doesn’t have an extended history of players playing injured. That’s not deeply ingrained in decades of hockey culture and playoff narratives jerking off players for playing through a coma


Kucherov was injured that year he came back, pretty clearly. The dude was laboring skating and feasted on the relatively stationary powerplay. Stone was clearly laboring last playoffs


Again it’s the same system for everyone. Other teams could let their injured stars heal for months but don’t have the depth or the tradable assets to make it work. Too bad, it’s a competitive league. It’s all about finding an edge, not neutering everyone who is “too good”
 
Because the league doesn’t have an extended history of players playing injured. That’s not deeply ingrained in decades of hockey culture and playoff narratives jerking off players for playing through a coma


Kucherov was injured that year he came back, pretty clearly. The dude was laboring skating and feasted on the relatively stationary powerplay. Stone was clearly laboring last playoffs
That’s what happens when your team makes you sit out for months. Your conditioning sucks.

We’re basically one more shift away from load management like in the NBA. Vegas is killing hockey because now no longer are cups won by what you do on the ice. It’s how much you can manipulate off of it.
 

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