Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.
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Option 1 is fair, if it is truly a long term injury and you don't expect him back ? Cool out for the year you get full cap relief.
Why is it fair for a team to put a 10M guy on LTIR, add another 10M guy, then get the original guy back ? You expect that player back for a playoff push, cool, make your roster cap compliant.
NFLPA agreed to option 3 so there is a possibility the NHLPA would.
HamiltonNHL
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This will be the 2nd season in a row that Mark Stone will return to practice from a regular season ending injury exactly 8 days before the playoffs.
Last year he played in Game 1 vs WPG. We’ll see what happens this year. VGK obviously still have to qualify for the playoffs.
It's a miracle !
It's predictable !
Last year he played in Game 1 vs WPG. We’ll see what happens this year. VGK obviously still have to qualify for the playoffs.
It's a miracle !
It's predictable !
I'll keep posting this :
If you are on LTIR when rosters are set at the trade deadline and remain on LTIR for the rest of the regular season without your team having to fit you under the cap, you are not eligible to return until round 2 of the playoffs.
Problem solved.
Regardless of whether 'everyone can do it and one team just does it better' it's an absolutely atrocious look for the league and something needs to be done.
If you are on LTIR when rosters are set at the trade deadline and remain on LTIR for the rest of the regular season without your team having to fit you under the cap, you are not eligible to return until round 2 of the playoffs.
Problem solved.
Regardless of whether 'everyone can do it and one team just does it better' it's an absolutely atrocious look for the league and something needs to be done.
Interesting that he's in a different coloured jersey than his teammates, could that mean he's actually not ready to play games a month after a lacerated spleen as people here are suggesting?
HamiltonNHL
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how about the cap applies to the post season as well as the regular season.
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CrazyJoeDavola
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He's in a no contact jersey but pretty much the amount of time in between coming back to practice and playing a game after a spleen injury is usually a week
Sergei Shirokov
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And re-extend the Luongo cap recapture, just to show Vegas the spirit of the system is important of course!
HamiltonNHL
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If i'm signing a high AAV player, I'm asking for a "Mark Stone" clause. Where my team doctors can force a player to shut down before the trade deadline to help with cap circumvention.
Tawnos
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It's closer to a viable idea than a lot of the other ones, but I think the NHLPA still has an issue with it. Why round 2 of the playoffs and not game 5 of round 1? In a situation where everyone is completely honest and up front about it, why should unfortunate timing of when their injury just happened to occur mean that they're not allowed to play?
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He's definitely not ready to play games .. 100%. Lacerated spleens are no joke! Not a chance this poor soul could play a game soon.
However, I am a Dr. and I can diagnosis this!
My Medical background is certain that he should be good to go on Saturday, April 20th.
Simplest option is to just create an LTIR activation freeze of 10-14 days at the end of the regular season.
This adds significant risk since teams looking to use the LTIR loophole as it requires those players to miss playoff games, something their team are unlikely to want and something the players themselves will not let happen.
You may be surprised to find out that NHL players often play injured or not at 100% in the playoffs, even though they wouldn't risk doing it during the regular season with nothing on the line.
Stone could play game 1 but does that mean he's 100% healthy come game day? Doubtful. Lacerated spleens usually take more than a month to heal fully.
Sergei Shirokov
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Its funny that Tampa literally made a mockery of the league's precious system, then bragged about it to everyone after, which is/was of no concern to the league.
Sending a clear message to everyone that this is perfectly acceptable, and credit to Vegas; they've taken circumvention to an art form.
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I was listening to Frank Seravelli and he was saying something along the lines of nobody comes back from even a slight spleen injury in the time frame needed for him to start game 1. It may have even been round 1 or something. Basically said there's no bleeping way he can return for game 1 with any sort of spleen injury. Even mentioned how dangerous it would be to return early.
My guess is he's practicing but in a no contact Jersey for awhile and still misses a significant chunk of the playoffs.
It would be worth investigating if he were to play game 1 though. Claiming a spleen injury then returning faster than anyone ever has I think would warrant something of the likes. But until he actually plays it's just speculation.
My guess is he's practicing but in a no contact Jersey for awhile and still misses a significant chunk of the playoffs.
It would be worth investigating if he were to play game 1 though. Claiming a spleen injury then returning faster than anyone ever has I think would warrant something of the likes. But until he actually plays it's just speculation.
The NHLPA will have to suck it and deal at some point. And they don't seem to have a problem with teams holding out healthy players until the playoffs start.
I don't think they would particularly have a leg to stand on though, as it's a cap thing. If a team didn't fit you under the cap, these are the consequences.
This is terrible for the sport. It gives the impression of cheating. It gives the impression of unfairness. It gives the impression of a weak league. Fans don't like it. Nobody likes it. It has to be fixed.
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Cause there's no exact. science with injuries. Sure, they have guidelines but you might expect. guy to be back for the playoffs and then at the end of his rehab he has a setback and now hes out an extra month.
Tawnos
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The NHLPA doesn't have to "suck it and deal" with anything. If the league wants to do anything about this, which isn't even really clear that they do, they'll have to give the players concessions to do so.
If you're going to apply the cap in the playoffs, you better pay the players in the playoffs too.
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Canucks would be hit with a 8 year cap penalty and forfeiture of a 1st round pick of tried anything close to this, lol.
Tawnos
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Rangers fans are already joking that if Chytil does end up coming back, the league will find a way to change all of this, just like they added a restriction on how often teams can win the draft lottery after the Rangers moved up in the draft two years in a row.
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