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Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

AvroArrow said:
He should be on IR not LTIR, they expect him back and I bet he will be ready to go for game 1 again.

It's obvious they are cheating, but that's how loopholes work. It's finding a way to break the spirit of the rule because of the rules not being worded properly.
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OR if your skating with the team and taking part in practice you must be taken off LTIR and put on IR and count for the cap again.
 
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hangman005 said:
occam's razor may suggest it, but it doesn't prove it.
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Did this prove Tampa doing it?

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Sometimes the dots just connect.
 
M88K said:
well the 2nd idea, LTIR you don't accrue cap space (except in very specific circumstances) so you can't add a 9.5m player at the deadline, you can only add a 2m player, so it does solve the issue.

The 1st doesn't deny healthy players the ability to play, the CBA does by virtue of the team not icing a cap compliant roster. It just enforces the rules that exist.
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Sorry, but that 2nd idea essentially does away with LTIR, which no one wants. It's not a viable concept.

And the first absolutely does prevent healthy players from playing. It also creates a situation where a team expects a player back for the 2nd round, but is forced to put out a diminished roster in the first round to accommodate for that possibility. Let's leave Stone for a second and look at Filip Chytil. He was back skating with the team today after being out with a concussion since November. As far as it seems right now, it's still pretty unlikely that he's going to be available for the first round. They used some of his LTIR space to acquire Alex Wennberg and some of it, combined with Blake Wheeler's LTIR space, to acquire Jack Roslovic.

Your idea creates a situation where the Rangers would be considering activating Chytil from LTIR and keeping Wennberg or Roslovic off the roster, or keeping those latter two on the roster and saying that even if Chytil is healthy enough to play in round 2, he won't be able to. What mechanism would there be to even keep the acquisitions from playing? They aren't hurt, so you can't put them on any kind of IR.
 
Tawnos said:
And the first absolutely does prevent healthy players from playing. It also creates a situation where a team expects a player back for the 2nd round, but is forced to put out a diminished roster in the first round to accommodate for that possibility.
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So instead of a team having a diminished roster they’re allowed a roster ten million more than every other team?
 
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tfwnogf said:
Those doctors do what they're told to. Also lol "they aren't cheating. every team can be as scummy as them but they choose not to!" Maybe some players would rather play hockey than exaggerate injuries and magically recover in time for game 1 every year.
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You realize it would be illegal for the team to force the doctor(s) to change their decision, right?
 
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TheBeard said:
So instead of a team having a diminished roster they’re allowed a roster ten million more than every other team?
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Yes, because the alternative is preventing a healthy player from playing. And you're doing it when there's money at stake. The NHLPA will never let it fly.

Look, I'm not saying that this is fair and I'm not defending it as a good thing. I'm saying that there aren't any real solutions to the problem.
 
Tawnos said:
Sorry, but that 2nd idea essentially does away with LTIR, which no one wants. It's not a viable concept.

And the first absolutely does prevent healthy players from playing. It also creates a situation where a team expects a player back for the 2nd round, but is forced to put out a diminished roster in the first round to accommodate for that possibility. Let's leave Stone for a second and look at Filip Chytil. He was back skating with the team today after being out with a concussion since November. As far as it seems right now, it's still pretty unlikely that he's going to be available for the first round. They used some of his LTIR space to acquire Alex Wennberg and some of it, combined with Blake Wheeler's LTIR space, to acquire Jack Roslovic.

Your idea creates a situation where the Rangers would be considering activating Chytil from LTIR and keeping Wennberg or Roslovic off the roster, or keeping those latter two on the roster and saying that even if Chytil is healthy enough to play in round 2, he won't be able to. What mechanism would there be to even keep the acquisitions from playing? They aren't hurt, so you can't put them on any kind of IR.
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Then dont put the player on LTIR if you're expecting him back this season ? Leave him on IR and manage your cap. You want to use his cap space to add to your roster ? Cool, add players equal to his cap, but you don't get to add that injured player on top of his replacement(s)

There's tons of easy fixes to this nonsense

1) Players on LTIR cannot return this season

2) Players on LTIR must be activated before the playoffs start, make a deadline or something for teams to activate players by if they are expecting them back

3) An activation window, if a player is taken off LTIR, that player is ineligible to play for X amount of days. So how Stone is practicing right now, he would have to be taken off LTIR and practicing for lets say 21-28 days, after that he is eligible to be inserted into the lineup. Or if Vegas then waits til after game 82 to activate him, cool, he still has to sit for 21-28 days. That's essentially what the NFL does, players have to sit for four games after being activated from LTIR.
 
AvroArrow said:
Then dont put the player on LTIR if you're expecting him back this season ? Leave him on IR and manage your cap. You want to use his cap space to add to your roster ? Cool, add players equal to his cap, but you don't get to add that injured player on top of his replacement(s)

There's tons of easy fixes to this nonsense

1) Players on LTIR cannot return this season

2) Players on LTIR must be activated before the playoffs start, make a deadline or something for teams to activate players by if they are expecting them back

3) An activation window, if a player is taken off LTIR, that player is ineligible to play for X amount of days. So how Stone is practicing right now, he would have to be taken off LTIR and practicing for lets say 21-28 days, after that he is eligible to be inserted into the lineup. Or if Vegas then waits til after game 82 to activate him, cool, he still has to sit for 21-28 days. That's essentially what the NFL does, players have to sit for four games after being activated from LTIR.
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Options 1 and 2 aren't fair tho. What if a guys out until early June? His team has to active him 6 months in advance or they can't use him in the SCF?

Option 3, NHLPA will never let that happen.
 
Voight said:
Options 1 and 2 aren't fair tho. What if a guys out until early June? His team has to active him 6 months in advance or they can't use him in the SCF?

Option 3, NHLPA will never let that happen.
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The NHLPA would never let any of those ideas happen.
 
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