Speculation: Vancouver Canucks are asking for Kadri + Bozak or Kadri + Gardiner for Luongo

[Clark4Ever]

The Canucks are in win now mode, and they need a centreman with an expiring contract.

If they want Bozak/Connolly, a mid level prospect, and a 2nd round pick, that is an equitable return under the circumstances.

Otherwise, Gillis and his legion of unrealistic knucklehead fans can go f-ck themselves.

 

[donkeyy0]

You do remember of course - or perhaps you are too young? - Antropov, Stajan . . . two young players who were drafted and developed and hit their peaks in the TML organisation?

Antropov had a pretty wicked season the year after he left the leafs no?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Nonis stated on the radio that Rielly and Gardiner will not be traded. He plans to only trade young for young.

and im with the people saying we can afford to give up Kadri and Bozak. Luongo could be the difference between a playoff spot. We have the offensive talent to compete. A legit goalie would do wonders for our young D corps confidence/psyche as well.

 

[iArts]

Antropov had a pretty wicked season the year after he left the leafs no?

You wouldn't trade Antropov for Luongo?

 

[donkeyy0]

Luongo's cap hit is something like 5.5 mil. a year. Why do you care how much actual money he gets? Our owners are rolling in billions.

Im talking about his cap hit. 5.33 in 4 years when he's 37 on the decline and potentially losing his job (to who i don't know...lets say sparks)...its a far worse deal than komisarek or whatever other albatross deals we like to criticize

 

[wreckless]

side note: luongos best assets are speed and agility (for a big guy) - both of which are exactly what you want going 'north of 30'.

bottom line, as much as id rather see Luongo dominate in TO and have every one of you wearing his jerseys chanting his name like a God, I now want to see him go tear it up in Flordia for 4 years and watch you guys think to yourselves 'wait, we didn't wanna give up Kardi?'

 

[donkeyy0]

You wouldn't trade Antropov for Luongo?

That i would do. Antropov isn't undervalued like kadri will be for the next x years (his 2nd contract)

 

[Cor]

On the Canucks board, in the Luongo thread, they think they will get Kessel for Luongo, and they have Kessel playing on their 3rd line -.-

 

[wreckless]

another thing, had the vancouver fanbase not booed Luongo out of town, he would STILL be our 'elite franchise goalie' and cory would have been traded for a major piece.

techincally, you have a chance to get what arguably could still be vancouvers #1 goalie for realistically peanuts.

 

[topched]

Im talking about his cap hit. 5.33 in 4 years when he's 37 on the decline and potentially losing his job (to who i don't know...lets say sparks)...its a far worse deal than komisarek or whatever other albatross deals we like to criticize

This is my favourite part.

Felix Potvin is the last home grown successful leafs starter. You have to go back 20 years to find him. Goaltenders are the hardest position to predict and develop. It's not easy.

I take my chances that at 37 Luongo is better than any prospect we have in our system currently, and anybody that we can draft in those years. Goalies also take a long time to develop.

If finding a goaltender was so easy, people would have done it already. There's a reason that Martin Brodeur even at age 40 is still the best goaltender in the Devils system. Extremely hard to find playoff calibre NHL starters.

 

[Confucius]

I don't get this....

Why do some people think we're in a perfect world where everything works out nicely?

Its not a nice sequence 1-2-3-4-5. You have to put all the parts together but you don't get the luxury of doing it in order.

If 2 years from now we've done the "base work" and need a goalie... and there aren't any elite ones available... or say there is one... and you've got to give up a key piece to get him... then you're just filling one hole and opening another.

If you believe Luongo can be good for 4-5 years... and you don't believe Kadri will have a place on this team once we've become competitive, then you sure as hell make this move.

Base work won't be done in two years, maybe 4 more, unless we trade some youth or picks now then it will take longer.

4 years from now Luongo will be done. In the meantime we gave away picks prospects youth.

I'd rather have Kadri, my picks, Scrivens Reimer plus 50 million available for a UFA (That cost us zero assets) than Luongo.

Sorry you need the youth 1st that's just the way it is.

 

[Clark4Ever]

If Gillis insists on Kadri being included, he should add a comparable prospect to the deal. Remember, the Leafs would be taking on one of the worst contracts in the NHL under the provisions of the new CBA, and would have to deal with it long after Luongo retires.

 

[p.l.f.]

there's a reason ppl live in an isolated place like vancouver

 

[iArts]

on the canucks board, in the luongo thread, they think they will get kessel for luongo, and they have kessel playing on their 3rd line -.-

bhahahahahaahhahahahaahahahahha

 

[Darcy Tucker]

On the Canucks board, in the Luongo thread, they think they will get Kessel for Luongo, and they have Kessel playing on their 3rd line -.-

Flyers fans are adamant they wouldnt trade Sean Cotourier straight up for Kessel. a friggin prospect for a top 10 scorer and its insulting to them somehow...

 

[p.l.f.]

Nonis stated on the radio that Rielly and Gardiner will not be traded. He plans to only trade young for young.

and im with the people saying we can afford to give up Kadri and Bozak. Luongo could be the difference between a playoff spot. We have the offensive talent to compete. A legit goalie would do wonders for our young D corps confidence/psyche as well.

did he say anything about trading 1st rounders?

 

[topched]

Base work won't be done in two years, maybe 4 more, unless we trade some youth or picks now then it will take longer.

4 years from now Luongo will be done. In the meantime we gave away picks prospects youth.

I'd rather have Kadri, my picks, Scrivens Reimer plus 50 million available for a UFA (That cost us zero assets) than Luongo.

Sorry you need the youth 1st that's just the way it is.

Do you know what you get with Kadri, Reimer and 50 Million dollars available in UFA?

Mike Komisarek, Tim Connolly and Jay McClement.

 

[iArts]

Do you know what you get with Kadri, Reimer and 50 Million dollars available in UFA?

Mike Komisarek, Tim Connolly and Jay McClement.

That was a nice burn.

 

[donkeyy0]

This is my favourite part.

Felix Potvin is the last home grown successful leafs starter. You have to go back 20 years to find him. Goaltenders are the hardest position to predict and develop. It's not easy.

I take my chances that at 37 Luongo is better than any prospect we have in our system currently, and anybody that we can draft in those years. Goalies also take a long time to develop.

If finding a goaltender was so easy, people would have done it already. There's a reason that Martin Brodeur even at age 40 is still the best goaltender in the Devils system. Extremely hard to find playoff calibre NHL starters.

Tuuka rask wouldve been nice.

Even if he's not being pressured out of the job at 37 i doubt he's worth 5.33 at that point. A middling starter is not ideal. Obviously Im making assumptions here, but even if sparks/whoever doesn't pan out...wed still be winning in spite of luongo not because of him. The $ and the assets are too much to give up for the value he provides.

 

[donkeyy0]

Flyers fans are adamant they wouldnt trade Sean Cotourier straight up for Kessel. a friggin prospect for a top 10 scorer and its insulting to them somehow...

Kessels gonna be making 7+ on his next deal. Would put them in a cap bind. Talent wise its not even close, but if u can't keep the talent u acquire...its kinda useless.

 

[4evaBlue]

Luongo is a stopgap goalie? Are you joking me?

Do you believe he'll be an "elite" goalie for more than a handful of years? He may be part of getting us into the playoffs, but I don't see him being able to make a serious impact for us in the playoffs, if he wasn't able to do it on a much team in a less pressure filled environment.

The goal is to build a contender, and I don't believe that job will be done in the next few seasons. By the time we reach that goal, Luongo may or may not have any use for us, but we'd still be on the hook for his contract.

Yes, yes, he could end up being the next Belfour, or the handful of veteran goalies who shined during their twilight. He could also be one of the many goalies who retired years before they reached 40.

 

[Goodwith Sticks]

Luongo, meanwhile, is a perennial all-star goalie in his prime. Consistantly posts a great save percentage, goals against (even on poor teams like Florida!), and is poised and very well experienced.

Agreed with everything else but poised he is not. He's shown he gets flapped in the postseason and I might have overlooked his debacle in Chicago in 2009 if it didn't happen again in 2010 against Boston. There's no way around the fact he's not mentally tough.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

did he say anything about trading 1st rounders?

no, he just made a point that trading Rielly would set us back, and they asked if Gardiner is in the same boat and Nonis said yes. which is very relieving.

 

[Cor]

Flyers fans are adamant they wouldnt trade Sean Cotourier straight up for Kessel. a friggin prospect for a top 10 scorer and its insulting to them somehow...

It is nuts how everyone underrates ALL of our players.

I would be a little upset giving up Kadri, yet the Canucks board calls him a bust (he is 21, and is close to PPG in the AHL I think) and flames out anyone (even their own fans) who says Kadri would be a nice return.

I think they would be upset getting Crosby for Luongo

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

On the Canucks board, in the Luongo thread, they think they will get Kessel for Luongo, and they have Kessel playing on their 3rd line -.-

They're good for a chuckle.