iArts
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How can people deny that Luongo is an elite goalie. He was, and still is, and still will be for a while.
Speculation: Vancouver Canucks are asking for Kadri + Bozak or Kadri + Gardiner for Luongo
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7even
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Agreed. He's still a top 10 goalie in the league, and no, his contract doesn't take all his value away.
Kessely Snipes
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I would make this trade and run.
I honestly don't see Rielly or Gardiner being traded.
Stu
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And it shows just how many complete and utter fools we have in our fanbase that are so against trading a guy like Kadri for someone who could backstop us for years. Hell we signed Ed Belfour in his later 30's after a terribad season at Dallas and he was lights out for 3 years.
Again, I like Kadri, but it's not like this kid has some huge stand-out combination that makes him the kind of prospect you keep at all costs.
Gobias Industries
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I think it's acceptable to suggest a four year window with Luongo, I don't know what your plans are for this team, but I hope they're competitive within that time frame.
We'll probably move as much as the great Burke moved us over the past 4. Lets hope we keep all our picks, past and future. Otherwise we're just spinning the tires with trading the future for results now. How's that worked?
We can just keep doing this every 4 or 5 years or finally just stick with our drafted players, Just once.
The Leafs organization has spent years developing him without a real stint in a top 6 role with the NHL team. We need to see what we have. Not just for Kadri's sake, but as an evaluation of our ability to develop players. Our ability to draft and develop players is what is going to allow the Leafs to succeed, not trading them away from past prime players. You just don't get it. The Leafs organization is in this trouble because they consistently trade away young for old, aren't drafting and developing well. Until that is fixed, the organization will continue to struggle. And I don't want an elite goalie in net until that part of the organization is fixed as it impairs our ability to draft well.
iArts
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Clark4Ever
What we do in hockey echoes in eternity...
Agreed, but at what cost?
Gillis doesn't have a hope in hell of acquiring significant assets fopr Luongo from any other club because of his age and his albatross of a contract.
Why should the Leafs get bent over in a deal with the Canucks when we should be building a team based on a blueprint that is conducive to sustainable, long term success?
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iArts
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Aren't we building from the net out?
Our defense is set already. Between forwards our only major need is a true #1 C.
So we have an opportunity to close one of our 2 glaring holes, and we shouldn't take it?
topched
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I don't get this....
Why do some people think we're in a perfect world where everything works out nicely?
Its not a nice sequence 1-2-3-4-5. You have to put all the parts together but you don't get the luxury of doing it in order.
If 2 years from now we've done the "base work" and need a goalie... and there aren't any elite ones available... or say there is one... and you've got to give up a key piece to get him... then you're just filling one hole and opening another.
If you believe Luongo can be good for 4-5 years... and you don't believe Kadri will have a place on this team once we've become competitive, then you sure as hell make this move.
slozo
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Almost didn't want to respond to this blather, but felt compelled.
Utter fool indeed.
A prospect can only break out once they have secured a spot in an NHL line-up . . . something which Kadri has failed to do. This year will probably be the final year and final chance for Kadri before he is 100% called a bust, and his future will thus be relegated to hopeful third line duty in the future, perhaps a few years of 50 point production on some crappy team's second line at best. At worst, he'll be a career minors guy. He's already had almost three years of trying, and at 51 games has 8 goals and 11 assists. This year, his numbers are no different at the Marlies, still under a point a game, and hey - I hope he gets in the Leafs line-up and scores 20 goals and 50 points, but I won't hold my breath.
Luongo, meanwhile, is a perennial all-star goalie in his prime. Consistantly posts a great save percentage, goals against (even on poor teams like Florida!), and is poised and very well experienced.
How Luongo could be talked about as a "stop-gap" is beyond me, but it must mean that you are either:
a) 15 years old
b) ignorant / moronic
c) at the end of a week long drinking binge
d) smoking brain inhibitors
e) some combination of the above
Go tell that to Canuck fans, they are delusional thinking they're getting anywhere close to Gardiner, Rielly or our first. Absolutely no way.
slozo
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I see - the BASE WORK, you say?
What would you say is the BASE WORK of a hockey team? Pick one:
1) an all-star goalie in his prime
2) a 22 yr old kid playing with the Marlies who has been a top prospect for three years and has about 50 games of NHL play under his belt with underwhelming results.
Trading Kadri is different than dealing Gardiner or Rielly. Kadri has never been looked upon with as much potential as those other 2. He doesn't fit here. He's being groomed as a winger, who's spot is he going to take? I think him and Bozak along with a 2nd or 3rd gets moved for Luongo, but none of our elite prospects get moved.
No that was Burke.
He was still working on it I seeWe need a large supply of youth and prospects because as we all know they all won't workout.
Just like Kessel was a bad deal, not that Kessel is a bad player, we just aren't ready for a great player. Would rather have the three picks he cost us would rather keep our current prospects would rather draft some future 1st rounders. After aquiring a large number over the next 4 or 5 years. Then we can shop around for a Messiah. Lets get on board with that for once.
slozo
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You do remember of course - or perhaps you are too young? - Antropov, Stajan . . . two young players who were drafted and developed and hit their peaks in the TML organisation?
iArts
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No that was Burke.
We need a large supply of youth and prospects because as we all know they all won't workout.
Just like Kessel was a bad deal, not that Kessel is a bad player, we just aren't ready for a great player. Would rather have the three picks he cost us would rather keep our current prospects would rather draft some future 1st rounders. After aquiring a large number over the next 4 or 5 years. Then we can shop around for a Messiah. Lets get on board with that for once.
If you think that Bell/Rogers will be ok with 4-5 more years of being basement dweller, you must be high out of your mind.
You can be damn sure that our new greedy owners will be pushing to make the playoffs asap, to make as much profit as possible asap.
A perennial elite goaltender who isn't even the best goalie on his team. He's being moved because he lost his job. He's on the wrong side of thirty. He doesn't want to be here. Not to say he isn't a very good goalie now, but he isn't only under contract now. There is much more flexibility with kadri, much more room for improvement (whereas luongo is more likely to regress rather than progress).
Maybe kadri doesn't ever become as "good" as luongo, but he also wouldn't be paid as much. Hopefully he is paid something more in line with his value...which in the case of luongo i can virtually guarantee that not to be the case in 3/4 years.
Maybe kadri doesn't ever become as "good" as luongo, but he also wouldn't be paid as much. Hopefully he is paid something more in line with his value...which in the case of luongo i can virtually guarantee that not to be the case in 3/4 years.
iArts
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Luongo's cap hit is something like 5.5 mil. a year. Why do you care how much actual money he gets? Our owners are rolling in billions.
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