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Speculation: Vancouver Canucks are asking for Kadri + Bozak or Kadri + Gardiner for Luongo

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p.l.f. said:
According to Adrian Dater of the Denver Post, hockey analyst and former NHL player Enrico Ciccone of TVA Sports, and confirmed by TSN's James Duthie on Twitter, the Philadelphia Flyers are interested in acquiring the services of the veteran goaltender.

Duthie tweeted that the Flyers have inquired about the Canucks goalie, and are in a position where they could buy out current netminder Ilya Bryzgalov in June.

On Thursday, Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren shot down the rumours.

"That made me chuckle," Holmgren told the Daily News. "It's safe to say those rumours aren't true. They have no basis or merit."
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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/Carters-agent-Holmgren-lied.html
 
satyr9 said:
Mess had a link at one point, one next year, one the year after, not like the NBA amnesty at all. At least I think I remember that right.
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In this case I'm am 100% against a Luongo deal. I always thought we had the option of just buying him out with 3 years left.

This also makes things more interesting. It basically means we if we're going to amnesty somebody, it's most likely going to be on our current roster.
 
Who has more value to Leafs fans, Reilly or Gardiner? I think Vancouver will insist on one.
 
Luongo for Bozak and Kadri is a fair deal and if that is on the table the leafs should take it.
 
Dark Knight said:
No way the Leafs should do it.

Kadri should not be included.
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Laughable that people think this way. Lets not sacrifice a 22 yr old winger who hasn't figured at all for our team to get an elite goaltender? One of our biggest points of weakness?

I really like Kadri but he is being GROSSLY overvalued here.
 
hogtownhabsfan said:
Who has more value to Leafs fans, Reilly or Gardiner? I think Vancouver will insist on one.
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which is why we shouldnt trade for Lu in the first place! I think they have about equal value, probably with Gardiner a bit ahead due to NHL experience. Reilly definitely has a higher ceiling though.
 
hogtownhabsfan said:
Who has more value to Leafs fans, Reilly or Gardiner? I think Vancouver will insist on one.
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a GM doesn't get to 'insist' on anything when he's got no leverage, and the only way that's changed is if Gillis knows Burke was canned because he wouldn't give in to MLSE's demand to go and get Luongo. That's a possibility, but without that Gillis has no leverage. Everyone knows he's anxious to get rid of a 34 year old goalie and they similarly know how awful that contract is. He's in no position to insist on anything
 
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Stu said:
Laughable that people think this way. Lets not sacrifice a 22 yr old winger who hasn't figured at all for our team to get an elite goaltender? One of our biggest points of weakness?

I really like Kadri but he is being GROSSLY overvalued here.
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He's overvalued because he's young and has potential.

And that elite goalie is turning on the wrong side of 30's and has a killer contract to boot.

You make the decision.

Oh, and we needed a scoring winger badly when we traded 2 firsts and a 2nd for Phil Kessel.
 
forecheck said:
Luongo for Bozak and Kadri is a fair deal and if that is on the table the leafs should take it.
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It's not a fair deal at all. Luongo's contract is just simply ridiculous. The Canucks will need to add something to make up for this absolutley horrid contract.
 
hogtownhabsfan said:
Who has more value to Leafs fans, Reilly or Gardiner? I think Vancouver will insist on one.
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If that's the deal, and I don't think Gillis would be so stupid as to even ask, then it's a non starter, and the rumour would be dead by now.

As far as Kadri, who I am obviously a fan of, I'd flip him in a heartbeat for Luongo. I love what the kid has, but we need a #1G so bad and Kadri isn't likely more then a 60 pt agitator.

Dark Knight said:
He's overvalued because he's young and has potential.

And that elite goalie is turning on the wrong side of 30's and has a killer contract to boot.

You make the decision.

Oh, and we needed a scoring winger badly when we traded 2 firsts and a 2nd for Phil Kessel.
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And now we have one, and Lupul, and JVR, and Kulemin. So....
 
p.l.f. said:
According to Adrian Dater of the Denver Post, hockey analyst and former NHL player Enrico Ciccone of TVA Sports, and confirmed by TSN's James Duthie on Twitter, the Philadelphia Flyers are interested in acquiring the services of the veteran goaltender.

Duthie tweeted that the Flyers have inquired about the Canucks goalie, and are in a position where they could buy out current netminder Ilya Bryzgalov in June.

On Thursday, Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren shot down the rumours.

"That made me chuckle," Holmgren told the Daily News. "It's safe to say those rumours aren't true. They have no basis or merit."
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Ciccone started the rumour and Dater/Duthie picked it up and ran with it. No basis (imo)
 
Stu said:
Laughable that people think this way. Lets not sacrifice a 22 yr old winger who hasn't figured at all for our team to get an elite goaltender? One of our biggest points of weakness?

I really like Kadri but he is being GROSSLY overvalued here.
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It's funny that a goalie who chokes in the playoffs can be considered an elite goalie by anyone. It's the main reason the Canucks are trying to unload him. He's a decent goalie who can get you a .920 performance on a stacked team, who spend most of their time in the opponent's end. How will he fare when he faces 40 shots a night more often than not?

As for 22 year old prospects, there have been plenty of examples around the league of players making an impact in the NHL after several AHL seasons.
 
4evaBlue said:
It's funny that a goalie who chokes in the playoffs can be considered an elite goalie by anyone. It's the main reason the Canucks are trying to unload him. He's a decent goalie who can get you a .920 performance on a stacked team, who spend most of their time in the opponent's end. How will he fare when he faces 40 shots a night more often than not?

As for 22 year old prospects, there have been plenty of examples around the league of players making an impact in the NHL after several AHL seasons.
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When Luongo was facing a lot of shots in FLA, he was constantly considered one the best 2 or 3 goalies in the game. He was traded for the leagues premier powerforward as well.
 
4evaBlue said:
It's funny that a goalie who chokes in the playoffs can be considered an elite goalie by anyone. It's the main reason the Canucks are trying to unload him. He's a decent goalie who can get you a .920 performance on a stacked team, who spend most of their time in the opponent's end. How will he fare when he faces 40 shots a night more often than not?

As for 22 year old prospects, there have been plenty of examples around the league of players making an impact in the NHL after several AHL seasons.
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I'm pretty sure Vancouver is trying to get rid of him because they have someone that can do what Luongo does at a younger and cheaper rate.
 
The Naz said:
When Luongo was facing a lot of shots in FLA, he was constantly considered one the best 2 or 3 goalies in the game. He was traded for the leagues premier powerforward as well.
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And if we were talking about a 25 year old Luongo (without an awful contract), my opinion would be different.
 
4evaBlue said:
He's a decent goalie who can get you a .920 performance on a stacked team, who spend most of their time in the opponent's end. How will he fare when he faces 40 shots a night more often than not?
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His time with the Florida Panthers.


GAA W L T SA SV %

2000-01 Florida Panthers 2.44 12 24 7 1333 1226 0.920
2001-02 Florida Panthers 2.77 16 33 4 1653 1513 0.915
2002-03 Florida Panthers 2.71 20 34 7 2011 1847 0.918
2003-04 Florida Panthers 2.43 25 33 14 2475 2303 0.931
2005-06 Florida Panthers 2.97 35 30 9 2488 2275 0.914
 
4evaBlue said:
It's funny that a goalie who chokes in the playoffs can be considered an elite goalie by anyone. It's the main reason the Canucks are trying to unload him. He's a decent goalie who can get you a .920 performance on a stacked team, who spend most of their time in the opponent's end. How will he fare when he faces 40 shots a night more often than not?

As for 22 year old prospects, there have been plenty of examples around the league of players making an impact in the NHL after several AHL seasons.
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Roberto Luongo - 28.67 shots/game

James Reimer - 28.65 shots/game
Jonas Gustavsson - 27.31 shots/game
 
All of these speculative offers that involve ANY of our top prospects are just insane.

People, we are not in the position to squander any significant assets to acquire a veteran that would theoretically put us over the top, because we are not even assured of being a legitimate playoff contender with Luongo.
 
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