Not in my mind.
Burke wanted Luongo but maybe didn't want to give up a 1st, Gardiner etc.I think reports are out that Burke wanted him but thought the asking price was to high. If MLSE want him at all costs it could have lead to the firing.
Speculation: Vancouver Canucks are asking for Kadri + Bozak or Kadri + Gardiner for Luongo
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Not in my mind.
Burke wanted Luongo but maybe didn't want to give up a 1st, Gardiner etc.I think reports are out that Burke wanted him but thought the asking price was to high. If MLSE want him at all costs it could have lead to the firing.
That could just as easily lead to the notion that the price was the sticking point. Burke was unprepared to give up what Van wanted, while the board had directives to acquire Luongo at any cost.
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Dreger just said on tsn that he spoke to mike gillis and the leafs are absolutely in the mix... but apparently so are others. Could be posturing.
I do not think 90% of RSN would go with this story if it did not have any truth to it, But it also could be the other way, Burke could be the one who wanted to overpay and MLSE said no,
CTV is an extension of Bell Media who has a share in MLSE. Anything they say quite frankly means nothing to me. Right now I think the only one I am listening to is the Toronto Star ( I could be wrong but I think they are not apart of Bell, Rogers, etc.)
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Precisely. That's the whole debate. I'm not sure how anyone goes from "they're in the mix" to "that means he was willing to pay anything".
The Winter Soldier
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I would be surprised to see Luongo traded anytime soon, more so after the half season, and not until The Canucks drop their supposed price.
Don't think this was a reason why Burke was fired also.
Don't think this was a reason why Burke was fired also.
I have changed my stance on Luongo from sure, if the price is right. Now after all this nonsense and hearing the rumoured deals I hate it. The last 1st Rd pick that we had kept for a decent amount of time is Antropov, ****ing 14 years ago. What a joke.
I know MLSE is stupid but they can't be that stupid.
I think that:
-Burke firing was not based on his performance as the GM of the Leafs or at the least it didn't play a big part. If it did..he'd be long gone.
-Can't be because he doesn't want to give up too much for Luongo. That's just insanse.. I don't know why Nonis would agree to be GM if all of his hockey moves would then be criticized by people who don't know anything about hockey.
-Burke firing had more to do with Burke's personality and the conflict between him and the upper management.
If Burke was fired because he didn't overpay for Luongo (which he can't even do...since you still can't make any trades official anyway)...Mike Gillis could just as well as for the moon and we'd have to pay it and that doesn't sound right.
If Mike Gillis says that there are other teams involved in this...go ahead and trade him there, we're good without getting Luongo if it means giving up 10-12 good years of Gardiner.
I have no problem trading Gardiner.. but there are 28 other teams that would give us a better offer than Gardiner+ for Luongo.
He's still controlled for ~5 years, has great IQ, elite skater, give him #1PP minutes and he gets you 45-50 points. Defenseman are hard to get and trading them for a 34 year old goalie is the last thing the Leafs need.
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I believe the Canucks would want a goalie asset back in return. Even though they have Lack.
I don't believe Reimer would be a part of that deal, but the question would be would Scrivens, Owiya or Rynnas maybe even Sparks be the guy?
I don't think Bozak/Gardiner of Kadri would be enough.
This deal is probably going to be bigger than the original proposition.
I don't believe Reimer would be a part of that deal, but the question would be would Scrivens, Owiya or Rynnas maybe even Sparks be the guy?
I don't think Bozak/Gardiner of Kadri would be enough.
This deal is probably going to be bigger than the original proposition.
For what it's worth on the fan just now they said there is 0 chance Gardiner is I'm on a Luongo trade.
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Don't see Vancouver getting Gardiner in any deal for Luongo, not happening, not even worth discussing. Nadda, no chance, Nonis or Burke will/would not make that deal. Pipedream unless Vancouver throws something back Toronto's way such as a first rd pick, but even that. Not likely.
Anyone think that Burke didn't want to give up Kadri? He seems like Burkes guy and the rest of the board wanted him to do the deal? I can't imagine Gardiner being in the deal but the Kadri angle makes some sense
I would be ok with Bozak + Kadri
I would be ok with Bozak + Kadri
McMatthews
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Big NO to giving up either Frattin, Kadri or Gardiner in a trade for Luongo.
I don't even want Lu.
Tank for MacKinnon/Jones/Drouin/Barkov/Lindholm.
I don't even want Lu.
Tank for MacKinnon/Jones/Drouin/Barkov/Lindholm.
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I don't think it will or should take either of those packages to land Luongo.
That said I'm one of the few on here who wouldn't be absolutely heartbroken to see Gardiner go. He's not an untouchable in my mind. A little overrated.
That said I'm one of the few on here who wouldn't be absolutely heartbroken to see Gardiner go. He's not an untouchable in my mind. A little overrated.
I think Kadri was penciled in to move, hopefully he stays now. Ever since Eakins made the overweight comment, I thought the PR machine is in motion. Just priming the way for a move.
I hope we dont trade kadri, he has not been given a far chance at all on our team. he could be special
i heard that as well. it makes me feel better but in the same sentence he also said gardiner wouldnt be involved for miller or quick. im sure it was hyperbole but still....lol
as much as i dont want to move kadri, we are going to have to give up something. i dont want to move bozak because we dont have other centers that can work with kessel, i sure as **** dont want to move gardiner or our first.
maybe something like connolly, kadri, and biggs/ashton could get it done?
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Bobby Mac tweeted last night, saying Gardiner is a non-starter for the Leafs. Makes sense, since Nonis basically said he was a part of our future/young core yesterday.
Unless Lou comes cheap, going with Reims and remaining at status quo seems like the best move. Hopefully we either make it to the playoffs, or suck hard enough for a top 5 pick.
Connolly, Lombo, MacA are gone at the end of the year, Komo can be bought out. We could sign some pretty decent players (Clowe/Weiss), or save that space for future trades. We're set up pretty nicely now.
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Dreger said on radio this morning that Nonis will not overpay for Luongo. Kadri + Bozak + 2nd is not an option. He wants to see what Reimer can do and is not afraid of that reality.
He said Nonis is not going to rush and make any irrational decisions. Hes a good GM and has been in this position before. He knows that there are GM's that will try to pick at the "caucus". He will only make moves to benefit the club.
He said Nonis is not going to rush and make any irrational decisions. Hes a good GM and has been in this position before. He knows that there are GM's that will try to pick at the "caucus". He will only make moves to benefit the club.
I agree, I feel we could be trading a David Krejci type player. I think he'd fit in all to well with Vancouver and put up solid numbers immediately.
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If Philly buys out Bryz, and gets Luongo, how do you think it affects FA's signing there? They first sign their franchise forwards, then turn around to deal them. Then they sign a goalie to the richest contract in NHL history, only to buy him out 2 years after.
I know if I was a FA, that would be one of my last choices, no matter how good they are.
I know if I was a FA, that would be one of my last choices, no matter how good they are.
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