Speculation: Vancouver Canucks are asking for Kadri + Bozak or Kadri + Gardiner for Luongo

[showtime8]

First off, its interesting to me why the Canucks would ask for Kadri in this deal. Personally, I think he'll get lost in their system quite easy and won't be able to make the jump to the NHL for atleast 3 years. So by then he's starting to fight 3 other first round picks along with other guys in the sytem. I judge this by the amount of money they have tied up in the Sedin's as well as Burrows, Kesler and Booth.

If Bozak is in this deal, he's basically there for insurance on Kesler. The Canucks can't risk taking a step back from where they've been playing at for the past couple years. Bozak fills a temporary hole in their depth chart.

Gardiner is pretty self explanitory from the Canucks point of view, but I'm guessing that Gardiner doesn't want to go anywhere. He will likely go from averaging 21 minutes a game, to playing around ?? (less than 15) on a deep blueline. And with all the money that's tied up on the back end, along with Edler going to get paid, there just doesn't seem to be any logical sense in him wanting to go there. Wanting to and having to is a completely different beast though.


The 3 guys that I would have guessed to be involved (aside from prospects) would be Clarke MacArthur, Tyler Bozak and John Michael Liles. Both Mac and Bozak have expiring contracts that are manageable and if the Canucks needed contract to come back, Liles is a guy that is effective and has a reasonable cap hit.

 

[TrueBlue86]

How are the last two failed promises?

it wasn't all failed promises. it was in general failed promises and absurd things that you would never hear from another gm pretty much.

like i heard on the podcast today he was like rex ryan. when i thought about it it's sooo true

it's a joke man

 

[Leaf Rocket]

exactly

after 4 years he couldn't bring in a face of the franchise type player........or a goalie........ or an elite center

i for one will enjoy a quiet gm like AA that swings a big bat

burke was the exact opposite... all bark and no bite

When a pup gets a chew toy he chews and barks and it takes a while because his teeth aren't grown but then when it starts to appear the bark sounds more louder and teeth shred em to pieces.

As said before patience is a virtue and obviously this isn't being followed through yet again by MLSE.

 

[Puckstuff]

yea man, relax. things won't change too much. we will still benefit from the good that burke's done, going forward. if mlse doesn't keep their word and cans nonnis this summer then it's another rebuild.

as of right now we have the same mentality going forward without a loudmouth baboon that embarrasses the franchise when ever he opens his mouth

Burke left us with some good young talent - I like the potential of JVR, Kessel, Gardiner but the hardest thing to aquire in this sport is a star goalie and a star front line centre. They're NEVER traded and you have to draft your own 99 times out of a 100. We don't have either... Our team has depth but lets face it 2nd line wingers and top 4 defensmen can be had through trades regularly but true star power rarely can... and star power wins championships. I'm adamant in the drafting philosophy as what Pittsburgh, Chicago, Edmonton have done. Maybe we can get lucky with Luongo but even than it's a huge gamble as he only as a couple years left in his prime (debatable.) The only way I see this team getting that big impact forward like Kopitar, Toews, etc is through the draft. No team will ever trade a centre that good. We're dreaming if we think Getzlaf would ever come here... This isn't me bashing it's me being aware of the circumstances. I believe this team can repair its holes and get to the post season but to think this team is even remotely close to contending is a joke. I'm a diehard fan - always have been... and i'm not trying to be "that guy" but your fooling your self if you think this core is capable of more than a couple 5-8 finishes in the conference. Even if we can accomplish that, (and that's a big IF) In this time it will be hard to build through the draft as we would be picking 16-30 in the draft. I have no confidence in this teams drafting ability. We're royally ****ed - but i like all of you, will continue to support them.

 

[TrueBlue86]

Burke left us with some good young talent - I like the potential of JVR, Kessel, Gardiner but the hardest thing to aquire in sports is a star goalie and a star front line centre. They're NEVER traded and you have to draft your own 99 times out of a 100. We don't have either... Our team has depth but lets face it 2nd line wingers and top 4 defensmen can be had through trades regularly but true star power rarely can... and star power wins championships. I'm adamant in the drafting philosophy as what Pittsburgh, Chicago, Edmonton have done. Maybe we can get lucky with Luongo but even than it's a huge gamble as he only as a couple years in his prime left (debatable) The only way I see this team getting that big impact forward like Kopitar, Toews, etc is through the draft. No team will ever trade a centre that good. We're dreaming if we think Getzlaf would ever come here... This isn't me bashing it's me being aware of the circumstances. I believe this team can repair its holes and get to the post season but to think this team is even remotely close to contending is a joke. I'm a diehard fan - always have been... and i'm not trying to be "that guy" but your fooling your self if you think this core is capable of more than a couple 5-8 finishes in the conference. Even if we can accomplish that, (and that's a big IF) In this time it will be hard to build through the draft as we would be picking 16-30 in the draft. I have no confidence in this teams drafting ability.

i agree with you 100 percent man

i've said it numerous times to my leaf fan friends on facebook. we have no solid foundation on this team. we have some random winger depth and some good d depth.

no goalie or center... the two most important and hardest positions to fill in hockey

it's like building a house by installing one wall, and a random window and trying to start the roof. no foundation.

i'm a diehard fan as well, and i deal with it by not having any hope in the team. i just watch the games, but have no short term or long term hope (until i see some promise).

i just think keeping burke wouldn't help any. i don't see where elite goalies or centers were going to come with his rebuild.
with nonnis we'll get less of a sideshow.

 

[BoHorvat53]

Losing Gardiner wont be so bad since you guys will make the playoffs.

I'll even give you guys my avatar

 

[WolfgangAmadeusEller*]

Francois Allaire on Reimer, Luongo, Giguere...

(French)

http://tvasports.ca/videos/video-allaire-ne-comprend-pas-les-leafs

 

[charliolemieux]

When a pup gets a chew toy he chews and barks and it takes a while because his teeth aren't grown but then when it starts to appear the bark sounds more louder and teeth shred em to pieces.

As said before patience is a virtue and obviously this isn't being followed through yet again by MLSE.

Agreed.

Just how is a GM supposed to retool a team top to bottom in 4 years?

Is ownership so deluded that they think Seguin would have gotten us a playoff spot already?

Or was Burke supposed to magically produce a #1 goalie where there isn't one? He might be Irish but he's a bit too big to be a leprechaun.

 

[charliolemieux]

Losing Gardiner wont be so bad since you guys will make the playoffs.
I'll even give you guys my avatar

That's just it though. Not even Luongo is a guarantee to get there.

 

[Winreims]

I would rather go with a goaltender off the street than trade Gardiner or Kadri. Luongo is a great goaltender but his contract and age are not appealing. Even if Luongo is great for about three years then what? Back to no prospects, no goalie. I'd trade players that are at least over the age of 24.

Why can't we have Luongo AND have prospects? No one is suggesting trading all of our high end prospects away for Luongo. Losing Kadri in a trade for Lou for example doesn't mean we don't have any decent prospects.

After three-four years of having a good goalie finally (Lou), we deal for another at that time or draft a goaltender next year and spend three years developing him behind Lou.

 

[Winreims]

I thought we had Luongo in the bag for a reasonable price but the Phily reports have me nervous. The best thing that can happen is we lose out on Luongo and the team implodes its way to another top-5 pick or better.

The Flyers are in on this now too? Another team (like the Panthers) who do not have a desperate need for a goaltender, just great..

 

[Mess]

Agreed.

Just how is a GM supposed to retool a team top to bottom in 4 years?

Is ownership so deluded that they think Seguin would have gotten us a playoff spot already?

Or was Burke supposed to magically produce a #1 goalie where there isn't one? He might be Irish but he's a bit too big to be a leprechaun.

Mike Smith, Brian Elliott, Jose Theodore, Tomas Vokoun among other were all UFA signed for free by teams as improvements in net.

Where was Brian Burke on his magical goalie tour ?

 

[LeeIs]

Mike Smith, Brian Elliott, Jose Theodore, Tomas Vokoun among other were all UFA signed for free by teams as improvements in net.

Where was Brian Burke on his magical goalie tour ?

In Sweden getting us Gus the saviour .

 

[charliolemieux]

Mike Smith, Brian Elliott, Jose Theodore, Tomas Vokoun among other were all UFA signed for free by teams as improvements in net.

Where was Brian Burke on his magical goalie tour ?

Oh how soon you forget.


Smith was crap in TBL.
Elliott had done nothign in OTT/COL.
TheoDore was an overpaid underacheiver in COL.

Vokoun is the only one I think we should have gone after, but his age is a factor.

BUt I bet you would have pointed all that out to us had Burke actually signed one of them.

 

[charliolemieux]

In Sweden getting us Gus the saviour .

Gus was good before Allaire tried to change him. Infact most believed Gus was the best goalie not playing in the NHL when Burke signed him.

 

[TrueBlue86]

Where was Brian Burke on his magical goalie tour ?

he was too busy fulfilling his from the wing in strategy

 

[Winreims]

Oh how soon you forget.


Smith was crap in TBL.
Elliott had done nothign in OTT/COL.
TheoDore was an overpaid underacheiver in COL.

Vokoun is the only one I think we should have gone after, but his age is a factor.

BUt I bet you would have pointed all that out to us had Burke actually signed one of them.

Smith is better than what we have now
Theodore is better than what we have now
Vokoun is better than what we have now, age doesn't matter if he can perform.
Elliott ... ok I'll give you that one

 

[LeeIs]

Gus was good before Allaire tried to change him. Infact most believed Gus was the best goalie not playing in the NHL when Burke signed him.

I remember that, but Mess was talking about goalies that were already NHL caliber.

 

[Haatley]

We can't do either of those deals. Colborne and bozak and a 3rd is most I'd go

Well that package might land the leafs jonas gustavsson lol

 

[onebighockeyfan]

I would still do NEITHER.[/QUOT
Way to over evaluate your players.

 

[BayStBully]

Mike Smith, Brian Elliott, Jose Theodore, Tomas Vokoun among other were all UFA signed for free by teams as improvements in net.

Where was Brian Burke on his magical goalie tour ?

I'm sure at the time you were an advocate to go after all of them.

 

[charliolemieux]

Smith is better than what we have now
Theodore is better than what we have now
Vokoun is better than what we have now, age doesn't matter if he can perform.
Elliott ... ok I'll give you that one

Smith looks good because of his teams system. Just look at the differnce between TBL and PHX. That aint all just him.

Theodore might be, but he is 36 and he isn't that much better. How much longer before he slides back into sub .900sv%?

Vokoun is the only one I wish we had picked up.

 

[HellasLEAF]

I'm not sure I'd even give Kadri for Lou..

 

[Stephen]

The Flyers are in on this now too? Another team (like the Panthers) who do not have a desperate need for a goaltender, just great..

The Flyers are in on everything. Just like the Leafs need to be.

In fact, the Leafs should be in on Subban, and should have been in on Stamkos and Doughty when they were RFAs.

Maybe we can go and get Bryzgalov for cheap... his contract ends before Luongo's and he's 4 years younger...

 

[charliolemieux]

I remember that, but Mess was talking about goalies that were already NHL caliber.

Well he had just broken Lunqvist's records in Sweden, so how much more ready should he get?