Speculation: Vancouver Canucks are asking for Kadri + Bozak or Kadri + Gardiner for Luongo

[Mess]

History has a way of repeating itself as the saying goes.

2004-- NHL Lockout ---> Burke released as GM ---> Nonis hired as replacement ---> Nonis acquires Luongo

fast forward to present

2012-- NHL Lockout ---> Burke released as GM ---> Nonis hired as replacement ---> Nonis acquires Luongo ??

Could it be a self fulfilling prophecy of history repeating as it seems to be unfolding?.

 

[thewave]

History has a way of repeating itself as the saying goes.

2004-- NHL Lockout ---> Burke released as GM ---> Nonis hired as replacement ---> Nonis acquires Luongo

fast forward to present

2012-- NHL Lockout ---> Burke released as GM ---> Nonis hired as replacement ---> Nonis acquires Luongo ??

Self fulfilling prophecy of history repeating itself seems to be unfolding.

Please let it be for Bozak Connolly and Lombardi please please please

 

[7even]

History has a way of repeating itself as the saying goes.

2004-- NHL Lockout ---> Burke released as GM ---> Nonis hired as replacement ---> Nonis acquires Luongo

fast forward to present

2012-- NHL Lockout ---> Burke released as GM ---> Nonis hired as replacement ---> Nonis acquires Luongo ??

Self fulfilling prophecy of history repeating itself seems to be unfolding.

I think that has more to do with pure coincidence than cosmic conspiracy...

 

[jedimyrmidon]

So then Vancouver can trade him somewhere else... What? No one else wants him? Then they can keep him... What? They can't? Well then too bad lol

I'm guessing you'd give up Subban and Max Patches for Luongo then correct?

I wasn't saying the Leafs have to trade for Luongo. I was just looking at the trade proposals from folks on this board. And Pacioretty and Subban are worth far more than Kadri and Gardiner at this point so it's not even a fair comparison.

Even with Luongo on our team, we are not contenders. By the time the rest of the team becomes ready to contend for the cup, Luongo will be a shell of his former self.

I know the ultimate goal is to win the Cup, but the jump from making the playoffs to winning the Cup are still significant, and the Leafs need to make the playoffs at some point or another. Luongo can give the Leafs the goaltending it needs so that it can shore up the defense, get a #1C or something.

So what should they give up? 1st + or Gardiner + or Reilly + or JVR +

Please do tell? Cause I'm of the opinion that getting Luongo for any of those pieces hurts the leafs long term.

I'm not sure what the Leafs should hypothetically offer. I'm pretty sure a 2nd rounder will be in there somewhere at the very least, and a good roster player as well (excluding Kessel and probably Lupul). But I don't see why anyone would take players from the Leafs that would be equivalent to a pure salary dump (e.g. Lombardi, Connelly).

 

[7even]

I wasn't saying the Leafs have to trade for Luongo. I was just looking at the trade proposals from folks on this board. And Pacioretty and Subban are worth far more than Kadri and Gardiner at this point so it's not even a fair comparison.



I know the ultimate goal is to win the Cup, but the jump from making the playoffs to winning the Cup are still significant, and the Leafs need to make the playoffs at some point or another. Luongo can give the Leafs the goaltending it needs so that it can shore up the defense, get a #1C or something.



I'm not sure what the Leafs should hypothetically offer. I'm pretty sure a 2nd rounder will be in there somewhere at the very least, and a good roster player as well (excluding Kessel and probably Lupul). But I don't see why anyone would take players from the Leafs that would be equivalent to a pure salary dump (e.g. Lombardi, Connelly).

I would actually be fine giving up Lupul + a pick. I'm not sure if Vancouver's exactly in the market for wingers, though.

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

I wasn't saying the Leafs have to trade for Luongo. I was just looking at the trade proposals from folks on this board. And Pacioretty and Subban are worth far more than Kadri and Gardiner at this point so it's not even a fair comparison.

Really? Kinda seems like the same thing minus Max having more playing time.

 

[7even]

Really? Kinda seems like the same thing minus Max having more playing time.

Pacioretty just scored 4 less goals than Phil Kessel. MaxPac and Kadri aren't really close at this point.

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

Pacioretty's a bum. So is Kessel

 

[7even]

Pacioretty's a bum. So is Kessel

Fire Bourke!

Wait.

 

[gmjohnny]

Lol Gardiner? No thank you, I rather see the Leafs wait this out, Vancouver is gonna be screwed next season if they can't get Luongo out.

They can get Luongo for nothing at the end of the season once he is bought out. If he was that good, Vancouver would not be moving him. Bozak and Franson plus a contract like Lombardi is all he is worth. When will they learn, trading first round picks is a fools game and we have been burned time and time again for these over the hill, short term band aid solutions that never work. Lu is on the downside of his career and will certainly be a cap casualty. Wait it out, finish close to last this shortened season, then go get Mackinnon, Barkov, Monahan or Lindholm as your #1 center. Get Lu in the summer. Trading Gardiner is total insanity as he looks like he will be the best dman in the game in 4 years

 

[TMLeafer]

That's too steep of a price. Wouldn't deal Kadri and obviously not Gardiner.

I sincerely hope the decision on Burke's job wasn't due to him saying no to overpaying for Luongo.

 

[Seventeen Twos]

shut it all down. im sick of this. lets look elsewhere. if it's TD or offseason, so be it.

 

[Mystifo]

I wasn't saying the Leafs have to trade for Luongo. I was just looking at the trade proposals from folks on this board. And Pacioretty and Subban are worth far more than Kadri and Gardiner at this point so it's not even a fair comparison.

What would of been a better comparison would of been


Subban + Collberg for Luongo


But would you give that up for Lou?

 

[Drew311]

I know the ultimate goal is to win the Cup, but the jump from making the playoffs to winning the Cup are still significant, and the Leafs need to make the playoffs at some point or another. Luongo can give the Leafs the goaltending it needs so that it can shore up the defense, get a #1C or something.

Problem is you say that it will take significant assets to land Luongo, so how many assets will be left to acquire a #1 centre and "shore up the defense"? It's not like the team is stacked with expendable talent.

Also, how many number one centers are generally available for trade? If one was available for a reasonable price, Burke would have pulled the trigger already. The Leafs just need to continue with drafting their future talent and making trades for other teams prospects. This is the only way they'll improve long term.

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

If what was said in that press conference today has any merit (and it probably doesn't); Nonis has "more patience". Which hopefully means he's gonna do a complete fire sale to grab some top picks.

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

Biggs and Connolly for Luongo (so i can forget 2011 ever happened)

 

[Cor]

If what was said in that press conference today has any merit (and it probably doesn't); Nonis has "more patience". Which hopefully means he's gonna do a complete fire sale to grab some top picks.

He said not expect a complete turn over of this team

 

[sampollock]

lou is coming that is for sure.

 

[hockeygeek]

Leaf fans want to give nothing and Nuckleheads want everything. Gonna be a lot of disappointed people if this trade happens

 

[jedimyrmidon]

What would of been a better comparison would of been

Subban + Collberg for Luongo

But would you give that up for Lou?

People scoff at the idea of Gardiner being included in a trade for Luongo (I wouldn't do that either), but you have Subban as your Habs equivalent? And Collberg is the Habs equivalent of Matt Finn who I'm sure you wouldn't want to give up.

Problem is you say that it will take significant assets to land Luongo, so how many assets will be left to acquire a #1 centre and "shore up the defense"? It's not like the team is stacked with expendable talent.

Also, how many number one centers are generally available for trade? If one was available for a reasonable price, Burke would have pulled the trigger already. The Leafs just need to continue with drafting their future talent and making trades for other teams prospects. This is the only way they'll improve long term.

Don't know, but at the same time, how often do Top 5 goaltenders come around? I know it's rare, but centers do sometimes make it to unrestricted free agency. In any case, I don't think elite netminders come around that often either, and not many teams need goaltending as much as the Leafs.

As for improving long term, no way am I saying that the Leafs should cripple themselves long term to get a guy like Luongo (*ahem* Kessel trade), but I do think that the Leafs absolutely need to reach the playoffs soon, meaning obtaining and waiting for future talent to develop would take a looong time.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Fire Bourke!

Wait.

Lmao tremendous.

Been my reaction to these threads all day.

 

[hizzoner]

Lou to Toronto for Khadri, Komisarek. Vancouver pays a million a year of Lou's salary. If Khadri plays 60 nhl games in any one year of next 5 then Leafs also get a third round pick.....

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

That's too steep of a price. Wouldn't deal Kadri and obviously not Gardiner.

I sincerely hope the decision on Burke's job wasn't due to him saying no to overpaying for Luongo.

Yep. You never want to hear someone lost their job for doing the right thing. Say what you will about Mr. Burke and his record as leaf gm, but not wanting to overpay for that atrocious contract should not have been his downfall. I'm hopeful this organization is not that stupid.

Ashton + Connolly + a 2nd. If the answer is no, then Vancouver can piss off.

 

[Ducati1098VII]

Hey guys,

According to Doug MacLean of Rogers Sportsnet, the Toronto Maple Leafs might trade Nazem Kadri and either Tyler Bozak or Jake Gardiner in a packaged deal for Roberto Luongo.

Deal #1

Nazem Kadri and Tyler Bozak

or

Deal #2

Nazem Kadri and Jake Gardiner

If Leafs trade anything for Lou they dumb.

 

[Ducati1098VII]

People scoff at the idea of Gardiner being included in a trade for Luongo (I wouldn't do that either), but you have Subban as your Habs equivalent? And Collberg is the Habs equivalent of Matt Finn who I'm sure you wouldn't want to give up.



Don't know, but at the same time, how often do Top 5 goaltenders come around? I know it's rare, but centers do sometimes make it to unrestricted free agency. In any case, I don't think elite netminders come around that often either, and not many teams need goaltending as much as the Leafs.

As for improving long term, no way am I saying that the Leafs should cripple themselves long term to get a guy like Luongo (*ahem* Kessel trade), but I do think that the Leafs absolutely need to reach the playoffs soon, meaning obtaining and waiting for future talent to develop would take a looong time.

Since when is Lou Top 5? He is barely Top 10.