Confirmed with Link: [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

We need a top 4 RHD, my statement was that we did not need THIS RHD. What’s next, trading our ow 1st for Tyson Barrie?

Just like Hughes, he is apparently meant to excel at zone exits...He's a good player.

Listen,I wanted to see 2 first round picks in canuck sweaters as much as the next guy..but looking at where the canucks are currently at in their cycle, this does start making a bit more sense..It was a lot to give up though.

 

[JohnHodgson]

From what I’ve read on the the athletic around the time Serg signed, Tampa operates uniquely, they get their guys to sign under market value for RFA year contracts with the understanding that theyll bend over a bit for the player on UFA years.


That could be false info so who knows.

There was definitely some sticker shock around the league when they locked up guys like Serg and Cirelli.

I don’t even like this Hronek deal but I’d be pretty shocked if he’s making $7M+ on his next deal. But perhaps he will be and Yzerman sold high to let another team deal with overpaying him.

It’ll be really interesting to follow.

Finally.. someone with some sensible to say about his next deal.

Tampa is rewarding their own players after winning two cups.

We are not Tampa LMAO.

$8M would make Hronek a top 20 paid defensemen in the league. If he's making that much, it means he took even a further leap and established himself as a #1/2 two-way defensemen.

Ott didn’t give up much more for Chychrun.

Honestly.

Fire Allvin and Rutherford. Useless idiots.

Bookmarking this.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Your getting a 25 year old sure thing (and a RHD to boot)..This player is inline with the age of EP,QH,TD...I dont think FA had anything to do with this, JR sets the course for hockey ops, and he initiated a 2 year retool...as he said he would when first hired.

We still have our own pick, which will more than likely be in the top 7-8.

I'll believe we have our own pick when the name is called out on the draft floor. I've been expecting Mr Aquilini to move that pick all season and I don't think this changes anything. In fact it just allows Mr Aquilini to make an even bigger splash.

I am certain that the internal goal for the management group is to challenge for a wild card spot next season.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Just like Hughes, he is apparently meant to excel at zone exits...He's a good player.

Listen,I wanted to see 2 first round picks in canuck sweaters as much as the next guy..but looking at where the canucks are currently at in their cycle, this does start making a bit more sense..It was a lot to give up though.

I’m glad you brought up Hughes - that’s pretty much my point. His skill set is redundant and not a need for this organization. So wrong target, for the wrong price and for me at least the wrong time. Once again the team is a bottom feeder trading first round picks away. It hasn’t worked for 10 years and it won’t work moving forward.

 

[Peter Griffin]

You actually know nothing about hockey if you think Hronek is going to ask for $8M+ at his current pace.

Cale Maker makes $9M
Miro Heiskanen makes $8.45M
Quinn Hughes makes $7.85M
John Carlson makes $8M
Alex Pietrangelo makes $8.8M
Aaron Ekblad makes $7.5M

You think Hronek is anywhere even close to the level of these players? Like I said, let me know where you're getting the bud because it's hitting good.

Or you just have no idea how hockey works.

Ever heard of RFA and UFA years? An 8 year deal for Hronek will be buying 7 UFA years. Makar and Hughes deals only bought out 2 UFA years. Heiskanen’s bought out 4. John Carlson’s deal was signed 5 years ago. Pietrangelo’s and Ekblad’s deals don’t refute my point like you think they do.

And I have no idea how hockey contracts work? I gave you actual comparable contracts which you have yet to refute.

 

[Nucker101]

Agreed..although Chychrun is a LHD.

Canucks could use 3 top 4 dmen, including one LHD

 

[M2Beezy]

So next year:

Hughes XX
XX Hronek
OEL/Myers/Dermott/Bear/Briesbois/Juulsen/Burroughs/Etc

 

[Slapshot_11]

What a stupid post.

Somewhere in the hundreds of pages that have cycled through this board in the last day or two someone posted a tweet or something saying that GMs had questions about Chychrun defensively. Why on earth would I make that up?

If you want to find it, feel free.

But this isn’t some big secret.

Here’s a couple articles from January referencing defensive question marks.

Is Jakob Chychrun the right trade target for the Edmonton Oilers? – Sportsnet.ca

Buy or Beware? Assessing Jakob Chychrun’s trade value

His skill, strength and offense are tantalizing, but Chychrun isn’t the top-pair stud he’s sometimes hyped to be.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

That’s probably the most tapped-in source in the NHL right now telling you that teams don’t rate Chychrun defensively.

Somewhere in the hundreds of pages LOL bro who reported it? You clearly know about this report aint like theres a ton of reporters out there

You use to be a quality poster that I enjoyed reading, now you just make up reports to help drive your narrative

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

I’m glad you brought up Hughes - that’s pretty much my point. His skill set is redundant and not a need for this organization. So wrong target, for the wrong price and for me at least the wrong time. Once again the team is a bottom feeder trading first round picks away. It hasn’t worked for 10 years and it won’t work moving forward.

As they say in NA, nothing changes, nothing changes...

 

[Peen]

Finally.. someone with some sensible to say about his next deal.

Tampa is rewarding their own players after winning two cups.

We are not Tampa LMAO.

$8M would make Hronek a top 20 paid defensemen in the league. If he's making that much, it means he took even a further leap and established himself as a #1/2 two-way defensemen.


Bookmarking this.

I don't think that that he will make that figure, but it is never that simple.

All negotiations are not created equally. Myers elevated himself into being paid like a top 20 D in the league because the Canucks were desperate and he was a big RHS. He was Winnipeg's 3rd RD behind Buff/Trouba and clearly known as a 4.5 level D. Yet he got low end #1D money.

 

[Peter Griffin]

From what I’ve read on the the athletic around the time Serg signed, Tampa operates uniquely, they get their guys to sign under market value for RFA year contracts with the understanding that theyll bend over a bit for the player on UFA years.


That could be false info so who knows.

Considering Serg is coming off a 3 year, $4.8M deal that is very comparable to Hronek’s current contract I doubt that entirely.

There was definitely some sticker shock around the league when they locked up guys like Serg and Cirelli.

I don’t even like this Hronek deal but I’d be pretty shocked if he’s making $7M+ on his next deal. But perhaps he will be and Yzerman sold high to let another team deal with overpaying him.

It’ll be really interesting to follow.

$8M is definitely the high end, but even at $7M+ this isn’t good for the Canucks.

 

[iceburg]

His age fits in with the rest of our core players...EP is only a year younger...They will all grow /deteriorate together.

Or are you talking about the core group after EP,QH, and Demmer..?

I'm saying that, while the core group of EP. QH and TD is solid, they need soooooo much more to be a contender. Having a few solid guys will only lead to a middling team. They needed to double down on acquiring as many younger assets as possible so that, in 3 or 4 years, when EP, QH and TD are at their peaks, they will have the makings of a contender.

 

[Green Blank Stare]

His age fits in with the rest of our core players...EP is only a year younger...They will all grow /deteriorate together.

Or are you talking about the core group after EP,QH, and Demmer..?

The team is in a weird spot that most of this board fails to realize. They cannot hollow out and completely tank for the next three years when Pettersson's looming free agency is hovering over them. If that's what people want, I hope they have their Pettersson trade proposals lined up and they might as well throw Hughes in that mix too.

Everybody wants a contending team of 24 year olds...well, that's where Pettersson and Hughes are right now.

 

[ahmon]

The thing about Hronek is, Allvin and Rutherford should have tons of exposure to this player, when they were managing the Pens.

Wouldn't surprise me they look at him like a young Letang.

I think the closest comparable I can think of is Neal Pionk.

Similar 5'11-6 ft RHD who moves the puck well and has a heavy shot, can run your pp. Good on the transition, at times gets in trouble defensively - especially with bigger forwards. Both aren't big but play with a bit of chip on the shoulder, nothing super tough but will drop the gloves.

 

[EverTheCynic]

We've been trying the retool since 2013 and have failed miserably for most of the last decade. Ironically, the one time it looked to be working, good ol' Benning let half the core walk over to Calgary. Now we're trying the same thing again but hoping it goes better this time.

Look, I don't think Hronek is a bad player by any stretch but not only did we buy high, he isn't addressing a core need of shoring up our defensive stability ala a Tanev type. Nor is he a cost controlled asset on a team without any cap wiggle room. Does Hronek move the needle in any noticeable fashion? Not really. It just keeps us in this perpetual bubble of not being good enough to make the playoffs but constantly too high to draft marque players.

We aren't building around Petey. We're desperately trying to take a short cut with the best hope of making the playoffs as a wild card so we can get slaughtered by Vegas or Colorado.

I'd love to be proven wrong, by the way. Give me plates and plates of crow after Hronek turns into 50-60 point player that helps elevate our blueline. I just don't see it happening. We've been doing this "retool" nonsense for too long.

I wanted to trade MIller last season and Bo this year. Make a run at Bedard and do a quick 2-3 year proper rebuild. But that didn't happen.

So now we either have to try and make the best of Petey's time here, because he is a player worth building around. Which this trade works towards, given how long it takes to draft and develop D.

Or, we trade Pettersson. If we try to draft and develop a blueline, we will be wasting his prime years. There's really no middle ground to me.

Ideally yes, we should have initiated a quick rebuild last season and taken the Miller offer. But we didn't. This is where we are now. No point playing what ifs. And in these current circumstances, trying to build something around Petey is probably the least sucky option. It's preferable, at least to me, than wasting his prime years tryingt to draft and develop a defensive core.

 

[F A N]

Ever heard of RFA and UFA years? An 8 year deal for Hronek will be buying 8 UFA years. Makar and Hughes deals only bought out 2 UFA years. Heiskanen’s bought out 4. John Carlson’s deal was signed 5 years ago. Pietrangelo’s and Ekblad’s deals don’t refute my point like you think they do.

And I have no idea how hockey contracts work? I gave you actual comparable contracts which you have yet to refute.

Wouldn’t it be 7? Hronek will be 26 and an RFA next summer.

 

[Nomobo]

I finally calmed down, I still hate that trade because of the direction this team is gonna go

That’s good. Was worried about you.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

 

[me2]

I'll say this, and I know it won't be popular, but it's not outrageous to think this team could be turned around relatively quickly. Offensively, they are already in the mix. This team doesn't have a problem scoring goals.

The goaltending has been abominable and their defense is swiss cheese. If Hronek pans out, that's a massive upgrade for the defense. They still need a couple more guys but buying out OEL would give them money to sign someone this summer.

Of course, they need Demko to regain his form and get him an NHL caliber backup. But there IS a path to getting really good in a short period of time.

There is no off ramp on that road and it's a dangerous road. They also can't half ass it and change their mind, that arguably the worst outcome. They need to keep buying.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Ever heard of RFA and UFA years? An 8 year deal for Hronek will be buying 8 UFA years. Makar and Hughes deals only bought out 2 UFA years. Heiskanen’s bought out 4. John Carlson’s deal was signed 5 years ago. Pietrangelo’s and Ekblad’s deals refute my point like you think they do.

And I have no idea how hockey contracts work? I gave you actual comparable contracts which you have yet to refute.

LMAO.

It's not just about buying UFA years... god damn you really don't know anything about hockey.

If you think Hronek is going to make $8M in his next deal... good for you but like I said, I'm not sure what crack your smoking.

Sergachev is a MUCH better player than Hronek at this point in time. Also Tampa is rewarding their players after winning cups. It's not a fair comparison at all.

On an 8 year deal, he'll get contracts similar to Weegar, Morrissey, etc.

$8M for Hronek HAHAHAHHA that's probably the funniest thing said all day from a Canucks fan.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Man this player sucks. Doesn’t even deserve his own thread

 

[iceburg]

The team is in a weird spot that most of this board fails to realize. They cannot hollow out and completely tank for the next three years when Pettersson's looming free agency is hovering over them. If that's what people want, I hope they have their Pettersson trade proposals lined up and they might as well throw Hughes in that mix too.

Everybody wants a contending team of 24 year olds...well, that's where Pettersson and Hughes are right now.

So you're saying lock the team into being mediocre to appease one player? Got it.

 

[Hit the post]

I don't think that that he will make that figure, but it is never that simple.

All negotiations are not created equally. Myers elevated himself into being paid like a top 20 D in the league because the Canucks were desperate and he was a big RHS. He was Winnipeg's 3rd RD behind Buff/Trouba and clearly known as a 4.5 level D. Yet he got low end #1D money.

And he didn't have an injury history nor is a midget.

 

[Starships]

Watched a bunch of hronek footage, seems like he panics under pressure and can get beat by good skaters pretty easily. But hes positionally very responsible.

From what I've seen I'd say he reminds me of winnipeg tyler myers with a better shot.

 

[Hooz]

This team has no interest in building a Stanley Cup contender. Just endless pandering to the casual fans because they’re not going to stop showing up and ownership knows it. They’ll toil away in mediocrity for the rest of the Pettersson/Hughes era. Maybe then we’ll finally get a proper rebuild.