Raptors Discussion: v96| Playoff Round 1 vs Philadelphia
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JetsWillFly4Ever
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Pascal having a low-key fantastic year. Should have a shot at All-NBA 2nd team.
And don't get me started about Siakam.
And don't get me started about Siakam.
Trade Dragic+1st+whatever else for Turner. (Boucher, Precious, etc.. idc just get it done)
FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/Turner
That’s a championship contending lineup
FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/Turner
That’s a championship contending lineup
I’d think Khem Birch would be on the table too if the teams looking to upgrade at C.
Precius seems fine as a backup 4-5.
Precius seems fine as a backup 4-5.
Emerica
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Yeah f no. Would rather just let Dragic’s contract expire than take on Fournier’s contract.
stickty111
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The Nemesis
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They have no idea. That's the entire problem. They go in like 6 different directions at once and change course on every random whim.
and I say this as someone that really likes Sabonis. He's just not a fit for a team in the position they're in especially given what they're shipping out to make it happen.
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Raptors to actively pursue depth additions at trade deadline - TSN.ca
The sense is that the Raptors have been among the league’s most active teams in the weeks and days leading up to Thursday’s deadline, but the bulk of those conversations have involved adding pieces without subtracting from the current rotation. That’s where Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.4 million contract comes in. With it, they can match incoming salary, while attaching an asset or two – draft capitol and a prospect, perhaps – to sweeten an offer.
“I think it’s a unique piece,” Webster said. “There aren’t many of them around the league, so you get to be in conversations that you typically [wouldn’t be in].”
“It greases deals in the NBA, which is the name of the game this week.”
How much would they be willing to attach to Dragic’s contract? Naturally, that depends on what they’d be getting back. It’s believed that they’re open to parting with a first-round pick and a young player, like sophomore Malachi Flynn. At that cost, the expected return would be a player who fits their short and long-term plans, somebody that addresses an immediate need while also complementing their core beyond this season.
A few things to keep in mind: The Raptors are right up against the luxury tax for this season, so they’re likely unwilling to take on more short-term salary than they’re giving up in any deal they make this week. As an above-cap team with enough space under the tax for next season, they do have some flexibility to add long-term salary, something that Webster indicated they would be open to doing.
In terms of need, the centre position is usually the first thing that comes up. They don’t have a player listed taller than 6-foot-9, but that’s by design rather than something they see as a weakness. They like the versatility that all of their length, quickness and athleticism gives them, especially on the defensive end. Adding a traditional big man isn’t as high on the priority list as you might think. They’re search for depth is more about targeting certain skill sets, like shooting or playmaking, than a specific position.
“By no means do we think this is the final look,” said Webster. “And I think that’s why this week’s important for us, if we can find a player that would complement that group, whether it’s positionally or if they look like [the players we already have].”
If adding another shooter is the priority, Atlanta has a couple interesting wings in Danilo Gallinari and Bogdan Bogdanovic. They both have another year left on their deals, and Bogdanovic has a player option for 2023-24. The question is whether those guys are available, with the Hawks looking to dodge the tax while also remaining competitive.
Veteran Kings forward Harrison Barnes checks off a lot of boxes. His salary lines up with Dragic’s, and he’s under contract for next season. He’s also hitting 41 per cent of his threes and hasn’t shot below 38 per cent since 2017-18. But what is Sacramento up to? Tuesday’s trade with Indiana – moving sophomore Tyrese Haliburton for two-time all-star Domantas Sabonis – might indicate that they’re in the market to buy and not to sell.
Rockets veteran sharpshooter Eric Gordon is likely available, but draft compensation might be a sticking point, as it could be with any of these guys. Is he worth a first-round pick? Would Houston be willing to give him up for Dragic and a second?
It probably wouldn’t take much more than Dragic to pry Evan Fournier (who has two more years on his deal) from the Knicks, or Gary Harris (who’s contract is also expiring) from Orlando.
If they go the centre route, Spurs big man and former Raptor Jakob Poeltl would be a great fit, though the framework of that deal would need to be bigger as he makes just under $9 million this season and just over it never season. San Antonio doesn’t have much incentive to shop him – he’s still just 26 and is on a team-friendly deal – but a first-rounder should at least start the conversation.
The sense is that the Raptors have been among the league’s most active teams in the weeks and days leading up to Thursday’s deadline, but the bulk of those conversations have involved adding pieces without subtracting from the current rotation. That’s where Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.4 million contract comes in. With it, they can match incoming salary, while attaching an asset or two – draft capitol and a prospect, perhaps – to sweeten an offer.
“I think it’s a unique piece,” Webster said. “There aren’t many of them around the league, so you get to be in conversations that you typically [wouldn’t be in].”
“It greases deals in the NBA, which is the name of the game this week.”
How much would they be willing to attach to Dragic’s contract? Naturally, that depends on what they’d be getting back. It’s believed that they’re open to parting with a first-round pick and a young player, like sophomore Malachi Flynn. At that cost, the expected return would be a player who fits their short and long-term plans, somebody that addresses an immediate need while also complementing their core beyond this season.
A few things to keep in mind: The Raptors are right up against the luxury tax for this season, so they’re likely unwilling to take on more short-term salary than they’re giving up in any deal they make this week. As an above-cap team with enough space under the tax for next season, they do have some flexibility to add long-term salary, something that Webster indicated they would be open to doing.
In terms of need, the centre position is usually the first thing that comes up. They don’t have a player listed taller than 6-foot-9, but that’s by design rather than something they see as a weakness. They like the versatility that all of their length, quickness and athleticism gives them, especially on the defensive end. Adding a traditional big man isn’t as high on the priority list as you might think. They’re search for depth is more about targeting certain skill sets, like shooting or playmaking, than a specific position.
“By no means do we think this is the final look,” said Webster. “And I think that’s why this week’s important for us, if we can find a player that would complement that group, whether it’s positionally or if they look like [the players we already have].”
If adding another shooter is the priority, Atlanta has a couple interesting wings in Danilo Gallinari and Bogdan Bogdanovic. They both have another year left on their deals, and Bogdanovic has a player option for 2023-24. The question is whether those guys are available, with the Hawks looking to dodge the tax while also remaining competitive.
Veteran Kings forward Harrison Barnes checks off a lot of boxes. His salary lines up with Dragic’s, and he’s under contract for next season. He’s also hitting 41 per cent of his threes and hasn’t shot below 38 per cent since 2017-18. But what is Sacramento up to? Tuesday’s trade with Indiana – moving sophomore Tyrese Haliburton for two-time all-star Domantas Sabonis – might indicate that they’re in the market to buy and not to sell.
Rockets veteran sharpshooter Eric Gordon is likely available, but draft compensation might be a sticking point, as it could be with any of these guys. Is he worth a first-round pick? Would Houston be willing to give him up for Dragic and a second?
It probably wouldn’t take much more than Dragic to pry Evan Fournier (who has two more years on his deal) from the Knicks, or Gary Harris (who’s contract is also expiring) from Orlando.
If they go the centre route, Spurs big man and former Raptor Jakob Poeltl would be a great fit, though the framework of that deal would need to be bigger as he makes just under $9 million this season and just over it never season. San Antonio doesn’t have much incentive to shop him – he’s still just 26 and is on a team-friendly deal – but a first-rounder should at least start the conversation.
Gallinari can’t guard anyone. If Dragic got shelved for no D, it wouldn’t be long before Gallinari saw the same.
Anyone they trade for will be a two-way player likely 27 or younger.
I doubt they do anything and I’m good with it. Keep the 1st and add another kid with high ceiling in the summer. I like Turner but he’s always hurt and wants a bigger role. Poeltl would be nice but he’ll cost more, and because of the great contract the salary is harder to match in a deal that makes sense for both teams. Under no circumstances would I want Doug McDermott for 3 more years. Poeltl and Derrick White for Dragic, Flynn and a 1st works, but the Spurs would want a lot more. Thad Young, maybe? Really tough to match those numbers.
Feels like Siakam knew this was a shape up or ship out year for him.
Glad he’s stepped up.
How much better is Poetl than Boucher?
Their salaries are close.
And how valuable is a post lottery first?
Their salaries are close.
And how valuable is a post lottery first?
Management isn't so short sighted. Siakam needed to get healthy and back to normal. It was shameful hearing the hate he took - guy was tasked for the first time as a number 1 option in the NBA bubble playoffs but had to sit in lockdown and not touch a ball for the period leading up. His struggles were predictable. Last year between the injured shoulder that eventually needed surgery and getting hit hard with COVID (lost 15 lbs) he actually played pretty well all things considered.
He's taken it to another level this year. When you consider the work ethic and drive coupled with the natural athleticism, he always seemed like a good bet to find his rhythm again.
Totally different players. Poeltl is more of an old school interior big. Doesn't take a pulse like Marc Gasol (few can) but he effectively utilizes his length at the rim to change shots and box out/put a body on crashers a lot like Gasol. He's got decent touch in the paint on offense and he's a great screen setter (something they need desperately) but not much range to speak of.
He's a perfect role player that does all the little things to make his teammates more effective. Remember VanVleet speaking on the Kawhi trade - had his praise for DeRozan but he spoke highly of Poeltl, calling him "the ideal big" and something to the effect of "sets screens, runs the floor, boxes out and doesn't demand the ball. Loved playing with him, Jak was my guy".
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Gary Nylund
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This is an interesting question for me as well. And does Masai feel that they are so good at drafting that picks are worth more to them than to the average team?
djdev
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i dunno man, im all about getting a few bench pieces but i dont want them trading away a FRP honestly.
I would think they value second rounders more than the average team, given their success in that round.
Seems like they have a lot of bullets in the chamber if they want to add, which could make sense given that there is already plenty of upside on the roster
phillipmike
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It would be swapping one trash, overpaid "Raptor" who doesnt want to be here for another with 4 years left on his deal. Knicks can keep that albatross.
Maplebeasts
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Proving lots of us including me wrong. When he came into the bubble a few years back without having touched a ball in 3 months I was ready to trade him.
stickty111
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Knicks' Evan Fournier, Kemba Walker may be shipped at trade deadline - New York Post
SAN FRANCISCO — Evan Fournier still thinks this Knicks group could work.
Fournier may be the eternal optimist. Knicks brass is frantically looking to make at least one move to shake up a roster that has nose-dived into 12th place and a 24-31 record approaching the trade deadline Thursday.
The Knicks have made the entire roster available, with point guard Kemba Walker the likeliest candidate to be traded. But Fournier and his $78 million contract could also be on the move.
Dealing Walker and Fournier on Thursday would be an indictment of Knicks president Leon Rose’s blown free-agent summer.
“He has to attach an asset to some of them,” an NBA personnel man said. “Don’t think anyone is lining up at the door for Fournier’s contract.”
Indeed, a prevailing issue is there aren’t a lot of teams head over heels over the Knicks’ assets. One thing to consider: The Knicks are selling low, so why sell at all?
Julius Randle — on and off the court — has perplexed the organization with his odd behavior and inefficient play, but his parting is likelier to occur in the offseason, when there are more options. Plus, he has a chance to increase his trade value. On the current trip, he has averaged 29 points in the three losses.
“It’s not my job,” Randle said of the deadline. “I try to focus on things I can control. This isn’t in my control.”
If Randle is dealt now, it would be forever the defining moment of Rose’s reign.
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Word around the league since preseason has been the Knicks’ brass is not on the same page, that there are too many cooks in the kitchen with Rose, William Wesley, Scott Perry and Thibodeau.
SAN FRANCISCO — Evan Fournier still thinks this Knicks group could work.
Fournier may be the eternal optimist. Knicks brass is frantically looking to make at least one move to shake up a roster that has nose-dived into 12th place and a 24-31 record approaching the trade deadline Thursday.
The Knicks have made the entire roster available, with point guard Kemba Walker the likeliest candidate to be traded. But Fournier and his $78 million contract could also be on the move.
Dealing Walker and Fournier on Thursday would be an indictment of Knicks president Leon Rose’s blown free-agent summer.
“He has to attach an asset to some of them,” an NBA personnel man said. “Don’t think anyone is lining up at the door for Fournier’s contract.”
Indeed, a prevailing issue is there aren’t a lot of teams head over heels over the Knicks’ assets. One thing to consider: The Knicks are selling low, so why sell at all?
Julius Randle — on and off the court — has perplexed the organization with his odd behavior and inefficient play, but his parting is likelier to occur in the offseason, when there are more options. Plus, he has a chance to increase his trade value. On the current trip, he has averaged 29 points in the three losses.
“It’s not my job,” Randle said of the deadline. “I try to focus on things I can control. This isn’t in my control.”
If Randle is dealt now, it would be forever the defining moment of Rose’s reign.
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Word around the league since preseason has been the Knicks’ brass is not on the same page, that there are too many cooks in the kitchen with Rose, William Wesley, Scott Perry and Thibodeau.
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