Raptors Discussion: v96| Playoff Round 1 vs Philadelphia

[Greek_physique]

I'm almost tempted to say that Precious should start at C and move one of Barnes/OG/Trent to 2nd unit to give them a shooter. It allows you to play with Eubanks/Young as bigs down low, and a decent shooter with them. If we trust Banton to lead this group, then we just need a PG/SG/SF to compliment.

If Flynn could ever get his shooting together, this would have been his spot.

Are you willing to break up that starting 5 though? 7 straight wins.

I know its won't last the rest of the year, but I dont know if we need a true C to start.

 

[Bjindaho]

Are you willing to break up that starting 5 though? 7 straight wins.

I know its won't last the rest of the year, but I dont know if we need a true C to start.

The bigger issue for me is that if we are actually going to play a 2nd unit, I don't want Achiuwa, Young and Eubanks all on it together.

The big thing for me is that if my starters are playing 32-36 minutes, I'm still playing the guy I drop from the opening lineup that much. He just isn't starting the game.

 

[Greek_physique]

The bigger issue for me is that if we are actually going to play a 2nd unit, I don't want Achiuwa, Young and Eubanks all on it together.

The big thing for me is that if my starters are playing 32-36 minutes, I'm still playing the guy I drop from the opening lineup that much. He just isn't starting the game.

I don't disagree...having all those on the 2nd unit will be tough.

I think this gives Nurse a lot of options though. If someone struggles, you can easily try different bigs depending on the opposition.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The bigger issue for me is that if we are actually going to play a 2nd unit, I don't want Achiuwa, Young and Eubanks all on it together.

The big thing for me is that if my starters are playing 32-36 minutes, I'm still playing the guy I drop from the opening lineup that much. He just isn't starting the game.

How much will Eubanks play? Doesn't seem like he is a guy they are going to use as a main bench guy. Seems actually like they paid a 1st to cut some cap and getting a couple of guys who will actually play for the team, with Young potentially having some upside as a part of a bench big group with Achiuwa and Birch (and maybe Boucher).

Eubanks seems a guy who gets in when they need a big while everyone else is tired, which I guess is needed since they didn't have anyone else to do that, but won't have a ton of value outside of that.

I guess the interesting part will be seeing if they capitalize on Boucher. I guess Young + Eubanks + ??? will be better for depth than Boucher + Dragic. If they get a backup guard, they could potentially move Flynn in that deal as well with Banton being the 3rd guy.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Thad Young is a Raptors type player. Obviously past his prime but he's a high IQ, tough defender at 6'8. Not a very good outside shooter but he can score in the low post and plays team basketball.

Unless they were attaching a pick they weren't getting much value for Dragic. He'll fit much better on a Nick Nurse team than someone like Gallinari (whose owed $20M next year as well)

If this deal is 1 for 1 they also open $5M (right now they have an open roster spot - cut Dekker to get below the luxury tax, currently $260k shy. Add $5M to that and we can assume they'll either sign a buyout or have more room to take on money in this or another trade.

Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[AcerComputer]

Raptors basically just moved back like 10-12 picks from say 20th to 31st pick, since they are getting the Pistons 2nd rounder in the deal.

 

[stickty111]

 

[LaPlante94]

looks like we upgraded our bench with this trade which has been our biggest weakness all season.

 

[inthe6ix]

looks like we upgraded our bench with this trade which has been our biggest weakness all season.

for sure

we cannot rely on our top 5 to play big minutes night after night and go into the post season not gassed

our bench scoring and depth is atrocious

something needed to be done

 

[aingefan]

Glut of bench bigs now, and still a lil time.
Top pick in the second round is equal to a 20ish first with this FO, and means cap flex too.
Not a swing for the fences, but solid contact by the sounds.

 

[Wats]

Feel like Zingus returned less than expected. There were rumours that there was talks of him coming to Toronto for Boucher+Dragic+

 

[aingefan]

Is it just me or is Eubanks potentially sneaky good?
Good shooting percentages in his career and career reb/3mpg. That’s solid.

 

[Bjindaho]

Is it just me or is Eubanks potentially sneaky good?
Good shooting percentages in his career and career reb/3mpg. That’s solid.

His value stats suggest that he was being underplayed in San Antonio and his age suggests that there could potentially be something here.

 

[djdev]

alot of odd trades today barring more moves in the next few minutes imo.
as for the raps. i like thad, but im not a fan of giving up our 1st given what brooklyn, philly and the a few other eastern teams did. im hoping we dont drop in the standings, its a risk.
maybe boucher is still traded for a guard that can actually shoot off the bench...we have so many 4s its crazy lol.

 

[aingefan]

His value stats suggest that he was being underplayed in San Antonio and his age suggests that there could potentially be something here.

Agreed.
Might be M&B finding an undervalued asset. Modest contract for next year two.
This might be a real solid value overall for those 10ish draft slots.

 

[hoc123]

His value stats suggest that he was being underplayed in San Antonio and his age suggests that there could potentially be something here.

I read his FG% allowed at the rim was on par with Poeltl, not sure how much he’ll be used this year with the Raptors glut of bigs but he’s cheap for next year.

 

[aingefan]

alot of odd trades today barring more moves in the next few minutes imo.
as for the raps. i like thad, but im not a fan of giving up our 1st given what brooklyn, philly and the a few other eastern teams did. im hoping we dont drop in the standings, its a risk.
maybe boucher is still traded for a guard that can actually shoot off the bench...we have so many 4s its crazy lol.

The difference in pick value might be negligible, considering how well TO draft in the second round. In fact, the best second rounder might a better asset for TO considering their cap spending.
I like this deal.

 

[aingefan]

I read his FG% allowed at the rim was on par with Poeltl, not sure how much he’ll be used this year with the Raptors glut of bigs but he’s cheap for next year.

And if you extrapolate the rest of his numbers, well, he seems sneaky good coming to a team with good development pedigree.
I love ‘finds’ like this.

 

[BlueForever75]

I like that Young pickup. He's a Raptor type player.

One thing to remember our second unit will always be a mix match situation because we have 5 starters and now 3 bench players that can play multiple positions. You will never see a 5 for 5 swap, the days of that happening are gone.

A perfect situation for the Raps is to always have 2 or 3 starters on the floor at all times unless we are winning the game by a large margin. You start with starting 5 we have been, and you give them rests with players like Boucher, Precious, Birch and now young coming off the bench to spell Barnes, Trent, Siakam and OG. The good thing is like tonight (when FVV is out), Siakam and Barnes have proven to be able to be the generals on the floor. So the need for a true 2nd PG isnt necessary this season.

 

[djdev]

The difference in pick value might be negligible, considering how well TO draft in the second round. In fact, the best second rounder might a better asset for TO considering their cap spending.
I like this deal.

it depends, at 15th pick(worst case scenario) vs an early to mid 20s pick is a big difference to me, but i get what u are saying. i just think eubanks isnt going to be anything. SA is very good at development like we are, so if they dont see anything in this guy i doubt theres anything there. time will tell.
for me the issue is we got more of what got back positionally, we have 3 serviceable 4s and literally 0 guards we can trust to spell FVV for more than 10 minutes a game, FVV is out tonight with a knee issue...again, so its clear he needs some rest. with so many bigger players who cant hit a 3(thad is now another of those) spacing and scoring is still a big issue when the big 5 arent on the floor.

 

[djdev]

I like that Young pickup. He's a Raptor type player.

One thing to remember our second unit will always be a mix match situation because we have 5 starters and now 3 bench players that can play multiple positions. You will never see a 5 for 5 swap, the days of that happening are gone.

A perfect situation for the Raps is to always have 2 or 3 starters on the floor at all times unless we are winning the game by a large margin. You start with starting 5 we have been, and you give them rests with players like Boucher, Precious, Birch and now young coming off the bench to spell Barnes, Trent, Siakam and OG. The good thing is like tonight (when FVV is out), Siakam and Barnes have proven to be able to be the generals on the floor. So the need for a true 2nd PG isnt necessary this season.

he fits the mentality of the team, but we needed shooting in the worst way, spacing is such an issue with us with alot of lineups we can put on the floor because we dont have enough bigs that can hit an outside shot consistantly.

 

[The Nemesis]

Zach Harper's analysis/grade for the Raptors:

Raptors trade for Thaddeus Young, send Goran Dragic to Spurs: Instant grades and reaction (PAYWALL)

I love this trade for the Raptors. Sure, giving up a first-round pick probably isn’t ideal for what could potentially be a Thaddeus Young rental. He’s an expiring contract at the end of this season, and you don’t know if he’s going to re-sign. But that’s not what’s important for the Raptors right now. They’re riding high with this surge they’ve experienced over the last few weeks. They’re playing their best basketball of the season, and they’ve been moving up the East standings.
Grabbing a guy like Young to add to the mix and to what they like to do makes a ton of sense. He’s a beloved veteran around the NBA. He’s very versatile on defense, which we know Masai Ujiri and Nick Nurse love. He can defend multiple positions, and he even competes against most big men defensively if you want to go small with him at the five. He adds to the switchability of the Raptors, and he’s a good playmaker at the forward position to be slippery off the ball or make the extra pass on the roll when the defense converges.
Eubanks gives Toronto a little bit more size as well, so he can be an insurance policy inside. The 2022 second-round pick will be pretty high too since it’s coming from Detroit. You can lock that into being a pick in the low 30s, which could end up acting like an extended first-round pick for Ujiri. It makes losing the first-round pick a lot more palatable for the Raptors, even if they do indeed make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. Great move.

Grade: A-minus

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

We are waiving Eubanks lol so basically Dragic and late 1 for Thad and early 2.

Meh, doesn't move the needle a whole lot for me either way.

 

[djdev]

We are waiving Eubanks lol so basically Dragic and late 1 for Thad and early 2.

Meh, doesn't move the needle a whole lot for me either way.

it would have made alot more sense if we had made a second trade to get a serviceble backup guard, i just dont think we improved nearly enough in this eastern conference(where the top teams got much better today imo) to warrent giving up our FRP in more of a rebuilding year. if we lose fred for any amt of time we are cooked lol.