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Raptors Discussion: v96| Playoff Round 1 vs Philadelphia
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stickty111
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I wouldn't say OG is untouchable. I think he's a guy you don't trade for Turner though. Individual values aside, OG is a piece you trade along with another piece to get a number 1 option back similar to Leonard, not Turner, who is a solid big man but doesn't move the needle.
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Trents salary if packaged with other options... Dragic or whoever can help bring a bigger name in. I keep OG unless he is packaged for a super star.
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Love OG, don't like the idea of trading him at all. In other news, great game last night. I was so looking forward to the Leafs and the Bills that I had forgotten there was a Raptors game but I did watch some of it and that win was every bit as impressive as the previous nights loss was disappointing. 
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The issue with trading Trent is that you take away one of the team's best shooters, and the guy that often times Siakam and/or VanVleet need out there to create space and flexibility. I loves me some OG and Scottie, but the reality is that right now neither of them is dangerous enough as a shooter to create any sort of gravity to pull the defence to them. Trent might not be Steph Curry, but he at least has to be respected at all times.
If you trade him for a frontcourt guy, by which I assume you mean an interior frontcourt guy to take some of the pressure off of the Birch/Achiuwa/Boucher triumvirate, you're taking away a floor spacer/gunner and putting more pressure on a Raptors perimeter unit that just doesn't shoot it well enough as a group to maximize their talent.
Agree that OG isn't going anywhere short of some team offering up a franchise-altering player in return. And no, Myles Turner is not anywhere near that category of player.
Other problem for the Raptors is that they are butting up against the luxury tax and have made it known they don't intend to pay over that threshold. The unfortunate issue with the Dragic gamble is that there simply aren't teams out there with the cap space or trade exceptions to swallow his deal enough to make it valuable without taking back buckets of probably bad money in return (short of the Raptors paying a bad team with cap space to absorb the deal, but there's no benefit to Toronto to need to work out that kind of payoff), and Dragic is in a position to force the Raptors to maximize his buyout payoff if they want to just jettison him, which doesn't offer a ton of cap relief.
So the unfortunate scenario for the Raptors is that they pretty much have 1 workable asset to bring to the table: Boucher and his $7m expiring deal. Plus maybe Bonga's $1.76m as ballast.
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guessing you don’t know much about basketball
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Trade deadline should tell us how much Raptors are prioritizing short-term success - TSN.ca
TORONTO – Nick Nurse has never been afraid to send a message to his players or to his bosses, and on Wednesday he did both.
For the second straight game, the Raptors went toe-to-toe with an elite opponent on the road. They were hard-fought contests featuring a total of 44 lead changes and a pair of exciting finishes, but both ended the same way, in narrow defeat for Nurse’s team.
In each game, losses to Dallas and Miami, Toronto’s head coach opted to stick with a tight rotation of seven players, while primarily leaning on six.
The statement was clear. To compete against the league’s best, Nurse feels he can only rely on the guys in his circle of trust, and with more than half of the season in the books, that remains an exclusive club. The implication being, his team needs some help, if not from the underachieving players who have been watching and waiting on the bench, then from the front office.
There are no easy answers. With two key rotation pieces out of the lineup and a lack of depth behind them, Nurse can either risk overworking his regulars or roll the dice on unproven players who haven’t been producing in their limited minutes.
It’s a no-win situation, hence Nurse’s frustration following Wednesday’s 102-98 loss to the red-hot Mavericks. He commended the effort of his team, but seemed annoyed by the narrative that was starting to develop.
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The February 10 trade deadline is three weeks away and, according to multiple league and team sources, the Raptors intend to operate as buyers. What that means exactly remains to seen. Their dream scenario is to add a player, or players that fit their short and long-term plans without breaking up their core, though you can see why that would be easier said than done. Failing that, would they be willing to part with future assets, such as first or second-round picks, to address immediate needs and raise the ceiling for this season’s team? Have president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster seen enough from this young group to expedite the timeline and make a run in this wide-open Eastern Conference?
TORONTO – Nick Nurse has never been afraid to send a message to his players or to his bosses, and on Wednesday he did both.
For the second straight game, the Raptors went toe-to-toe with an elite opponent on the road. They were hard-fought contests featuring a total of 44 lead changes and a pair of exciting finishes, but both ended the same way, in narrow defeat for Nurse’s team.
In each game, losses to Dallas and Miami, Toronto’s head coach opted to stick with a tight rotation of seven players, while primarily leaning on six.
The statement was clear. To compete against the league’s best, Nurse feels he can only rely on the guys in his circle of trust, and with more than half of the season in the books, that remains an exclusive club. The implication being, his team needs some help, if not from the underachieving players who have been watching and waiting on the bench, then from the front office.
There are no easy answers. With two key rotation pieces out of the lineup and a lack of depth behind them, Nurse can either risk overworking his regulars or roll the dice on unproven players who haven’t been producing in their limited minutes.
It’s a no-win situation, hence Nurse’s frustration following Wednesday’s 102-98 loss to the red-hot Mavericks. He commended the effort of his team, but seemed annoyed by the narrative that was starting to develop.
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The February 10 trade deadline is three weeks away and, according to multiple league and team sources, the Raptors intend to operate as buyers. What that means exactly remains to seen. Their dream scenario is to add a player, or players that fit their short and long-term plans without breaking up their core, though you can see why that would be easier said than done. Failing that, would they be willing to part with future assets, such as first or second-round picks, to address immediate needs and raise the ceiling for this season’s team? Have president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster seen enough from this young group to expedite the timeline and make a run in this wide-open Eastern Conference?
Okay, I guess Scottie didn't need to rest after all
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Flynn's season is one of the more mystifying ones I've seen. He showed a lot of promise in the final two months of last season and won rookie of the month. He clearly has potential.
Unfortunately he's simply been bad. He lost his job before the season even started to a second round pick (Banton). When he's been given an opportunity this season he's mostly been poor. He has even struggled with the Raptors 905 (Raptors equivalent of the Marlies) while by comparison Banton looks too good for the 905. It's hard to explain.
Flynn is atypical from the type of player the Raptors have been bringing in, who are long, tall, defense first who need to improve their shooting. Shooting is something Flynn is supposed to be good at - if he's not, and he certainly hasn't been this season, then other guys are better options because they will at least provide the defense, rebounding, etc.
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This has always bothered me about Nurse. They simply don’t get even minutes to contribute anything, so I’m not sure what Nurse expects really.
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