Speculation: Undrafted FA Thread (NCAA/CHL/Euro)

[The Nightman]

Tyler Beskorowany, 25yo goalie from german club DEG. has an nhl-clause and german media reports today he's nhl (ahl) bound. Was drafted by the Stars in '08, 2nd round but never made the NHL. Is a FA but no word on where he is signing.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=106792




I said if they felt he could handle the NHL full time, so of course they would need to get a look at him, but doesn't mean they wouldn't trade Beaulieu at some point into the season. Tinordi imo wouldn't have anything to do with Reilly, he will have to show something at camp or he will be traded if they don't like what they see sine he's not going to be sent down.

If no moves were made and we signed Reilly we would have 5 offensive D's which leaves Emelin and Gilbert as regulars that are defensive minded. plus Tinordi and Pateryn in the press box.

My bad I thought you guys mean't trading him in the off-season. I still don't see why we'd need to trade Beaulieu so soon unless it's for something substantial, I really like the improvement he's been showing and I'd have no problem having him as our #4 next season. I view Subban and Petry more as 2-way D's than offensive D's so running with Markov-Subban, Beaulieu-Petry and Rielly-Gilbert, Emelin traded hopefully for some offensive help. I think it's a solid blend of quick puck moving and solid defensive play. This is all assuming Rielly is NHL ready which might not even be the case, then you could rotate him and Tinordi.

Chances are he won't sign here anyway, Chicago seems too obvious.

 

[WeThreeKings]

don't agree, Tinordi is a stay at home type so he shouldn't have much to do with Reilly. If you were to somehow land Reilly it's for an offensive role so if they felt he could handle the NHL full time they could look at moving Beaulieu.

Moving Beaulieu would be dumb. I know you don't seem to be a huge fan of him.. but every time Beaulieu has been in the line-up the past two seasons, our defense is way better.

I really like Beaulieu. If we land Rielly.. I'd move Tinordi. The NHL is trending away from pure shut down D men and it's quite obvious why.

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

Moving Beaulieu would be dumb. I know you don't seem to be a huge fan of him.. but every time Beaulieu has been in the line-up the past two seasons, our defense is way better.

I really like Beaulieu. If we land Rielly.. I'd move Tinordi. The NHL is trending away from pure shut down D men and it's quite obvious why.

I wouldnt move Beaulieu either his mobility really helps us out the only thing I dont like is how awful his shot is.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I wouldnt move Beaulieu either his mobility really helps us out the only thing I dont like is how awful his shot is.

His shot needs accuracy help.. but he doesn't really shoot to score, he shoots mostly for deflections.

 

[montreal]

My bad I thought you guys mean't trading him in the off-season. I still don't see why we'd need to trade Beaulieu so soon unless it's for something substantial, I really like the improvement he's been showing and I'd have no problem having him as our #4 next season. I view Subban and Petry more as 2-way D's than offensive D's so running with Markov-Subban, Beaulieu-Petry and Rielly-Gilbert, Emelin traded hopefully for some offensive help. I think it's a solid blend of quick puck moving and solid defensive play. This is all assuming Rielly is NHL ready which might not even be the case, then you could rotate him and Tinordi.

Chances are he won't sign here anyway, Chicago seems too obvious.

They can't trade anyone in the off-season based off Reilly, that's not to say that they won't trade a D for cap reasons or if they think they can get a deal on something to improve the offense. As for Beaulieu, it's not about trading him so soon, since there's no timing put in place, just that if Reilly can show he can handle the NHL full time then you have Subban, Markov, Petry, Reilly, Beaulieu likely all as offensive D's, that's an overload so while they wouldn't have to trade him it just means that they can deal from a position of strength to move a decent young asset to help improve the forward group which needs it.

If you trade Emelin, then you have to count on Tinordi as we already have an overly soft D and trading our most physical D and keeping Markov/Subban, Beaulieu/Petry, Reilly/Gilbert would be beyond soft. Who would be on the PK? They should be looking to reduce Markov's PK ice time imo and in that situation they wouldn't likely be able to do that.

The whole idea of trading Beaulieu would be based on Reilly showing he can handle the NHL full time. I know the whole point is moot since he's been rumored to wanting to sign with the Hawks for some time now. This is all just wild speculation for fun.

Moving Beaulieu would be dumb. I know you don't seem to be a huge fan of him.. but every time Beaulieu has been in the line-up the past two seasons, our defense is way better.

I really like Beaulieu. If we land Rielly.. I'd move Tinordi. The NHL is trending away from pure shut down D men and it's quite obvious why.

It would not be dumb if Reilly shows he could make the team full time, cause that would mean his offensive game is translating, something Beaulieu hasn't done yet. On top of that in order to improve the offense we would likely need to trade an asset and if you trade something you want to do so from a position of strength. If Reilly's offensive game translated then they would have a very good top 4 and Beaulieu would bring more of the same as the others.

Moving Tinordi would have nothing to do with Reilly since one is a stay at home and the other an offensive D. Tinordi will either show he can play in the NHL at camp/preseason or they will have to move before the season starts.

 

[The Nightman]

They can't trade anyone in the off-season based off Reilly, that's not to say that they won't trade a D for cap reasons or if they think they can get a deal on something to improve the offense. As for Beaulieu, it's not about trading him so soon, since there's no timing put in place, just that if Reilly can show he can handle the NHL full time then you have Subban, Markov, Petry, Reilly, Beaulieu likely all as offensive D's, that's an overload so while they wouldn't have to trade him it just means that they can deal from a position of strength to move a decent young asset to help improve the forward group which needs it.

If you trade Emelin, then you have to count on Tinordi as we already have an overly soft D and trading our most physical D and keeping Markov/Subban, Beaulieu/Petry, Reilly/Gilbert would be beyond soft. Who would be on the PK? They should be looking to reduce Markov's PK ice time imo and in that situation they wouldn't likely be able to do that.

The whole idea of trading Beaulieu would be based on Reilly showing he can handle the NHL full time. I know the whole point is moot since he's been rumored to wanting to sign with the Hawks for some time now. This is all just wild speculation for fun.

I'm not worried too much about the softness of that d-core. Good point with the penalty kill, Emelin had the highest toi avg on the pk during the playoffs so that'd be tough to replace, Petry's pk time could possibly get raised, I also do think Beaulieu will be able to play on the pk one day, not sure about next season though.

Markov is 36, and who knows how much longer he'll be playing at this top pairing level, trading Beaulieu would be a mistake considering our lack LD prospects, I'm not sure he'll ever get to Markov's level but he's the closest thing we have that has the potential to make the jump and fill that spot whether it's due to injury or poor/declining play.

 

[WeThreeKings]

For me, I'd rather a LD of Markov-Rielly-Beaulieu instead of Markov-Rielly-Tinordi.

I'd much rather trade Emelin, clear the cap space.. and rock with a very mobile, puck moving D corp.

 

[overlords]

For me, I'd rather a LD of Markov-Rielly-Beaulieu instead of Markov-Rielly-Tinordi.

I'd much rather trade Emelin, clear the cap space.. and rock with a very mobile, puck moving D corp.

But we'll be soff.

 

[montreal]

I'm not worried too much about the softness of that d-core. Good point with the penalty kill, Emelin had the highest toi avg on the pk during the playoffs so that'd be tough to replace, Petry's pk time could possibly get raised, I also do think Beaulieu will be able to play on the pk one day, not sure about next season though.

Markov is 36, and who knows how much longer he'll be playing at this top pairing level, trading Beaulieu would be a mistake considering our lack LD prospects, I'm not sure he'll ever get to Markov's level but he's the closest thing we have that has the potential to make the jump and fill that spot whether it's due to injury or poor/declining play.

I don't know if Beaulieu can handle the PK or not, perhaps against weaker offensive teams, perhaps they can slowly work him in and see how it goes. He makes a lot of mental mistakes so I would be worried about him being on the PK consistently.

I expect Markov to be done after his contract is up, and we are in big trouble on defense in the future outside of having Subban/Petry locked up long term. The farm system has nothing that really jumps out. If we somehow got Reilly and he showed he could produce in the NHL I could be being better then Beaulieu who I am not sold on as I just don't think he has the smarts to put it all together on a consistent basis. I just think that you can't have mostly all offensive D's on a team that is defensive minded, and Beaulieu is the one I would be willing to give up depending on what Reilly showed. But it's all a moot point since it's very unlikely he signs here anyway.

For me, I'd rather a LD of Markov-Rielly-Beaulieu instead of Markov-Rielly-Tinordi.

I'd much rather trade Emelin, clear the cap space.. and rock with a very mobile, puck moving D corp.

So who plays the PK?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't know if Beaulieu can handle the PK or not, perhaps against weaker offensive teams, perhaps they can slowly work him in and see how it goes. He makes a lot of mental mistakes so I would be worried about him being on the PK consistently.

I expect Markov to be done after his contract is up, and we are in big trouble on defense in the future outside of having Subban/Petry locked up long term. The farm system has nothing that really jumps out. If we somehow got Reilly and he showed he could produce in the NHL I could be being better then Beaulieu who I am not sold on as I just don't think he has the smarts to put it all together on a consistent basis. I just think that you can't have mostly all offensive D's on a team that is defensive minded, and Beaulieu is the one I would be willing to give up depending on what Reilly showed. But it's all a moot point since it's very unlikely he signs here anyway.



So who plays the PK?

Whoever the coach trusts more?

Mobility is important in defending now.

There was a reason why the Emelin-Gilbert pairing on the PK was chewed up brutally by the Tampa Bay PP.

That same Tampa Bay PP is not nearly as effective against the more mobile D core that Chicago is using.

My thing is the philosophy of the game is changing, especially in regard to defense. I think the pure shut down guy is going the way of the Enforcer. Teams will value the guys who are mobile, with a quick stick, who can press quickly on the attack, jump into the rush and swing back if the play doesn't go their way.

 

[habsfanatics*]

For me, I'd rather a LD of Markov-Rielly-Beaulieu instead of Markov-Rielly-Tinordi.

I'd much rather trade Emelin, clear the cap space.. and rock with a very mobile, puck moving D corp.

My preferred option too.

 

[montreal]

Whoever the coach trusts more?

That's a good way to approach it.

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

His shot needs accuracy help.. but he doesn't really shoot to score, he shoots mostly for deflections.

If thats true then he has no accuracy lol He always goes high with his shots which is not where you want to shoot for rebounds

 

[deandebean]

If Montreal can invite an unlimited number of players then they should open their doors to more than two FA invites. That number is ridiculously low if that is accurate.

I'm still of the opinion that the Habs scouting department is not very sharp in scouting the Q properly. I see Tampa and I cringe. Three solid young lads taken from the team's backyard. And none with high picks.

I will change my mind when I see results.

 

[montreal]

If Montreal can invite an unlimited number of players then they should open their doors to more than two FA invites. That number is ridiculously low if that is accurate.

I'm still of the opinion that the Habs scouting department is not very sharp in scouting the Q properly. I see Tampa and I cringe. Three solid young lads taken from the team's backyard. And none with high picks.

I will change my mind when I see results.

Even if they invite more, that might not be the answer, I don't know why they have struggled but the list of undrafted FA's they have signed out of the Q isn't very impressive,
Dany Masse, Jack Nevins, Stefan Fournier, Frederic St-Denis, Philippe Lefebvre, Cedrick Desjardins, David Desharnais, Francis Lemieux, Olivier Michaud

You can add Yan Danis who was undrafted, from Quebec. Peter Delmas and JP Cote were drafted but not signed by the club that drafted them so we signed them.

DD was a good pickup all things considered. Desjardins got us Ramo and Tok so a good one there as well. I really liked St-Denis in Hamilton and someone actually traded for both Lefebvre and Nevins. I thought Danis was going to be something decent for us.

how about ohksanen. 25 goals as a third year for boston with 1 goal few than eichel whos 18 haha though. Eichel is amazing.

Is atti a defenceman too? I think he converted to a winger

going to rangers camp,

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-...n-invited-to-Rangers-prospect-camp-2-11508108

 

[Whitesnake]

going to rangers camp,

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-...n-invited-to-Rangers-prospect-camp-2-11508108

Sucks. That's a really interesting invitation.

 

[Richiebottles]

Sucks. That's a really interesting invitation.

He is a LW and D ?

WHAT !?!

 

[montreal]

Sucks. That's a really interesting invitation.

yes it does, he's one of the NCAA FA's I wanted us to sign the most. Wonder if the Habs were interested or not as he seems like the kind of player they would like. Good in his own end, hard working etc...

 

[Whitesnake]

He is a LW and D ?

WHAT !?!

Wouldn't like him on D. Prefer him on the wings. Still doesn't have the greatest agility. At least not for a D.

 

[montreal]

update from Bobby Mac on Mike Reilly,

University of Minnesota standout defenceman Mike Reilly becomes an unrestricted free agent on Tuesday (June 16), but the Columbus Blue Jacket draft choice (fourth round, 98th overall, in 2011) won't necessarily have chosen a team by that date.

Reilly is, however, believed to narrowing his interest amongst the eight to 10 clubs (Chicago, Columbus, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Montreal, New York Rangers, Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay) who interviewed him at the NHL Combine in Buffalo.

In fact, the 21-year-old defenceman who played well for Team USA at the World Championship is in the process of having second interviews and/or visits with the teams he's most interested in.

Reilly is currently in Los Angeles, training with strength and conditioning coach Andy O'Brien, and rubbing shoulders with Sidney Crosby and Nate MacKinnon, amongst others. The Kings are one of the teams wooing Reilly, who also reportedly visited the Blackhawks in Chicago this past week and attended a Cup final game while in the Windy City. The Hawks have been cited as a frontrunner for Reilly since the player kicked off this process almost a month ago by de-registering from the University of Minnesota to trigger his free agency.

Reilly's father Mike is a minority owner of the Minnesota Wild.

Reilly can't officially sign a contract until July 1 but is free to announce his decision on June 16 or any time after that. Reilly is technically property of the Blue Jackets until June 15 – that's when their exclusive negotiating window expires, though Columbus did give permission for Reilly to speak to other clubs before then.

 

[Richiebottles]

update from bobby mac on mike reilly,

niceeeeee.

 

[donghabs98]

I'll be quite surprised if he signs with us considering the number of defenseman we have that could play in the NHL next season He would certainly get a better chance to play big minutes elsewhere.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

yes it does, he's one of the NCAA FA's I wanted us to sign the most. Wonder if the Habs were interested or not as he seems like the kind of player they would like. Good in his own end, hard working etc...

Man, we've both been hyping him up all season, this really blows . I was looking forward to more Sisu on this team.

 

[montreal]

I'll be quite surprised if he signs with us considering the number of defenseman we have that could play in the NHL next season He would certainly get a better chance to play big minutes elsewhere.

I'm surprised we are even in the running for him but good on the Habs to try to sign him at least.

 

[donghabs98]

I'm surprised we are even in the running for him but good on the Habs to try to sign him at least.

Yeah I wonder what management is thinking because if he does sign with us certainly a guy like Tinordi or Emelin will be moved. There would just be too big of a log jam at LD.

Our D depth charts with Reilly would be:

Markov-Subban
Emelin-Petry
Beaulieu-Gilbert
Reilly-Pateryn
Tinordi