Post-Game Talk: Ughhhhhhh….Birds beat us

[GrandmaCookie]

Really comparing Crosby D+1 season to Suzuki D+8 season, Slaf D+3 season ? Next year the same argument can be brought up I guess then

Pittsburgh lucked out in a top 10 player all time, and a franchise #2 C in Malkin. Crosby was already better than Suzuki in his rookie season. Can't compare both rebuild. We don't have any franchise talent even if we picked top 5 3 years in a row, a Crosby/Malkin tandem would have completely change the dynamic of this team.

 

[RationalExpectations]

It's year 3.5.

Suzuki D+8, CC Dach Newhook D+6, Guhle Barron D+5 HuGo still had 3 draft TDL FAs to change that team

 

[LaP]

Pittsburgh lucked out in a top 10 player all time, and a franchise #2 C in Malkin. Crosby was already better than Suzuki in his rookie season. Can't compare both rebuild. We don't have any franchise talent even if we picked top 5 3 years in a row, a Crosby/Malkin tandem would have completely change the dynamic of this team.

That was not my point. My point was to say that Pens despite having Crosby in the lineup finished the year with 58 points and allowed 310ish goals and was seen as a disinterested team full of over the hill vets.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

That was not my point. My point was to say that Pens despite having Crosby in the lineup finished the year with 58 points and allowed 310ish goals and was seen as a disinterested team full of over the hill vets.

I was not talking about your point (my post wasn't even replying to you). I was replying that comparing Pittsburgh rebuild with MTL rebuild doesn't make sense because of PIT having drafted 2 franchise talent (as far as saying Suzuki is in his d+8,etc.).

 

[Riggins]

4-7-1 is actually kind of flattering with how dreadful the team has been. The schedule has been soft and we're already bottom 5.

This is a really painful team to watch. For once I would like to see a Habs team with some gritty and mean SOBs in the bottom 6. Get some players who actually give a damn and try to light a fire under our floating top 6.

 

[Habby4Life]

Only way this rebuild doesn’t fail is if KH dramatically improves this D Core. Struble, Logan, Barron are nothing special.

Right now they have Guhle, Math, and Lane. DR really needs to pan out and they need to develop wifi. They need to add 2 legit physical D. This D is too soft.

Oh, and hire a real coach.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I'm not comparing anything. Let's ignore we will add Demidov and likely another draft pick let's ignore all that. Suzuki is a 11th overall pick who was already there before KH was hired.

That s my point HuGo supposedly inherited a better young core than most rebuilding teams, and yet… Not sure Demidov alone will change anything (and I like Demidov) to the team s losing mentality and lack of system.

 

[Mrb1p]

My team doesn't lose the way I want them to lose

I don't want my team to lose

 

[LaP]

I was not talking about your point (my post wasn't even replying to you). I was replying that comparing Pittsburgh rebuild with MTL rebuild doesn't make sense because of PIT having drafted 2 franchise talent (as far as saying Suzuki is in his d+8,etc.).

But we don't know how good Demidov will be, He has a better d+1 year than Kaprisov. It doesn't mean anything but that's the thing with kids you never really know until you do.

Only way this rebuild doesn’t fail is if KH dramatically improves this D Core. Struble, Logan, Barron are nothing special.

Right now they have Guhle, Math, and Lane. DR really needs to pan out and they develop wifi. They need to add 2 legit physical D. This D is too soft.

Oh, and hire a real coach.

Logan has pretty good stats in the AHL for a guy his age.

 

[Chili]

Guys bought the pre-season hype from the media. Media that is losing viewership and readership and clicks because less interest, thus losing money.

This is still a rebuilding team. I still believe they will get 82 points. I’ve seen much worse starts of a season.

The head scratcher I heard was that Kirby Dach would replace Sean Monahan. Monahan is a very good NHL centre right now. Don't know if Dach will ever become one.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

 

[GrandmaCookie]

I don't want my team to lose

Habs finished 28th last season, and the only addition to it has been Hutson, while substracting Monahan. What did you expect, the rebuild to abruptly end and everyone gets better simultaneously? They did a move this summer to get Laine and too bad shit happens and he got injured. They are still strapped with bad contracts from the past and the core is still young. A rough season was to be expected again. All I see is people wishfully thinking this team was going to transform in a summer and be suddenly in the mix. Management signed up for a rebuild, this is exactly what is happening. You suck until you don't eventually.

 

[Rozz]

This team hasn't made the real POs since 2017 calice

hmmm.. but I seem to remember them in the finals in 20/21... weird!

Regardless... that doesn't change the fact that any year before and including 21/22 was not a rebuild year... Bergevin was still trying to make the play offs even though we had lost everyone ... He made some dumb ass moves and singed some crap hoping to bandaid over the issues and we hit rock bottom all naturally... there was no planned tank or rebuild in place... once he got canned and we hired Gorton things started down the rebuild road.... then we hired hughes, and it was clear what direction we were gonna take. they committed to the rebuild and at that trade deadline they began to sell off shit and start rhe process.... so like it or not, the only officially real planned
"rebuild" years were 22/23, 23/24 and the current 24/25.

can't put anything bergevin did onto Hugo... so yeah, at most it is only 3.5 years

 

[Habby4Life]

Habs finished 28th last season, and the only addition to it has been Hutson, while substracting Monahan. What did you expect, the rebuild to abruptly end and everyone gets better simultaneously? They did a move this summer to get Laine and too bad shit happens and he got injured. They are still strapped with bad contracts from the past and the core is still young. A rough season was to be expected again. All I see is people wishfully thinking this team was going to transform in a summer and be suddenly in the mix. Management signed up for a rebuild, this is exactly what is happening. You suck until you don't eventually.

Transform, no. I have a problem playing without any passion and looking like they accept losing. Last year they worked their butts off, this year they are just going through the motions.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

But we don't know how good Demidov will be, He has a better d+1 year than Kaprisov. It doesn't mean anything but that's the thing with kids you never really know until you do.

I absolutely agree. The presence of Demidov with this team could change the dynamic and bring a wave of energy like Caufield did when he came in the 2021 playoff.

I meant that right now, the rebuild should not be counted in D+ year of Suzuki or Barron(weird piece of the puzzle to use but whatever) or Caufield. For now, there is no franchise talent on this team, thus you can't see the same impact from our young guy to the one guys like Malkin and Crosby had on the team.

Transform, no. I have a problem playing without any passion and looking like they accept losing. Last year they worked their butts off, this year they are just going through the motions.

Maybe I am oblivious to something you guys see that I don't see, I think they just plain suck and yes, disorganized. But lack of effort is something I can hardly analyze through out a screen.

 

[dinodebino]

The head scratcher I heard was that Kirby Dach would replace Sean Monahan. Monahan is a very good NHL centre right now. Don't know if Dach will ever become one.

With any rebuilds, there are hits and misses. Nothing is linear.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I heard the plane put itself in a vulnerable position

If I was allowed to like posts I would do it for this one. Hahahaha

 

[Habby4Life]

I absolutely agree. The presence of Demidov with this team could change the dynamic and bring a wave of energy like Caufield did when he came in the 2021 playoff.

I meant that right now, the rebuild should not be counted in D+ year of Suzuki or Barron(weird piece of the puzzle to use but whatever) or Caufield. For now, there is no franchise talent on this team, thus you can't see the same impact from our young guy to the one guys like Malkin and Crosby had on the team.


Maybe I am oblivious to something you guys see that I don't see, I think they just plain suck and yes, disorganized. But lack of effort is something I can hardly analyze through out a screen.

Nobody seems to get angry at losing. Playing without a pulse that’s the 2024-25 Habs

 

[Big Lurk]

Losers have that mentality. Your team sucks Marty...face it

So do you want him to say it?

"What do you want me say like, our team aint it gang, no cap, we are not lit at all, you feel me"

Tony Marinaro could send his kids through college with a quote like this from Marty

I should teach Chantal Machabee a few tricks

 

[Chili]

With any rebuilds, there are hits and misses. Nothing is linear.

You had a valid point about hype, was just pointing out one example.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Nobody seems to get angry at losing. Playing without a pulse that’s the 2024-25 Habs

How do you evaluate this lack of effort? Is it losing board battle? Losing icing race? Bad man coverage or lack of pressure in the o-zone?

 

[ReHabs]

Habs finished 28th last season, and the only addition to it has been Hutson, while substracting Monahan.

And what about Kirby Dach? Guess he doesn’t fit your forced narrative so it’s best to ignore him.

What did you expect, the rebuild to abruptly end and everyone gets better simultaneously?

Many tankophiles insisted that roster upgrades were unnecessary because of “natural growth”. They were opposed to the acquisition of Laine even. They said it would get in the way of Joshua Roy’s development (or something).

They did a move this summer to get Laine and too bad shit happens and he got injured. They are still strapped with bad contracts from the past and the core is still young. A rough season was to be expected again. All I see is people wishfully thinking this team was going to transform in a summer and be suddenly in the mix. Management signed up for a rebuild, this is exactly what is happening. You suck until you don't eventually.

The bad contracts do get in the way of reinventing for the forward depth positions but they were not in the way of building or rebuilding the defence.

A lot of the problems are on the coaches imo. This team can play much better.

 

[ReHabs]

With any rebuilds, there are hits and misses. Nothing is linear.

Definitely. Rebuilding (abstract process) requires building (specific positive development).

If you want to rebuild you need to build. You build by upgrading the roster or getting the roster to upgrade their play.

Right now we’re at the point where the season could be lost without even getting to December. So be it, the tankophiles will rejoice… but is losing and playing like crap really the best outcome long term?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Pretty soon a lot of you guys are going to have to admit that I was right all along

 

[ReHabs]

Pretty soon a lot of you guys are going to have to admit that I was right all along

You gotta be more specific