Post-Game Talk: Ughhhhhhh….Birds beat us

[Tabarouette]

hmmm.. but I seem to remember them in the finals in 20/21... weird!

Regardless... that doesn't change the fact that any year before and including 21/22 was not a rebuild year... Bergevin was still trying to make the play offs even though we had lost everyone ... He made some dumb ass moves and singed some crap hoping to bandaid over the issues and we hit rock bottom all naturally... there was no planned tank or rebuild in place... once he got canned and we hired Gorton things started down the rebuild road.... then we hired hughes, and it was clear what direction we were gonna take. they committed to the rebuild and at that trade deadline they began to sell off shit and start rhe process.... so like it or not, the only officially real planned
"rebuild" years were 22/23, 23/24 and the current 24/25.

can't put anything bergevin did onto Hugo... so yeah, at most it is only 3.5 years

21 playoff run was fun but also monkey's paw curling a finger, because now anytime we make any argument online someone somewhere shows up pretending like it was totally a real run

 

[Seven7]

I am willing to bet this team will outbad the sharks this year.

 

[dinodebino]

Definitely. Rebuilding (abstract process) requires building (specific positive development).

If you want to rebuild you need to build. You build by upgrading the roster or getting the roster to upgrade their play.

Right now we’re at the point where the season could be lost without even getting to December. So be it, the tankophiles will rejoice… but is losing and playing like crap really the best outcome long term?

I don’t mind, really. And I do not believe they will stay pat this year. Tis the year to use some of those draft picks as incentives.

 

[The Real Timo]

In all of this some how Kent Hughes continues to escape the blame. Who the f*** hired a coach with zero experience to begin with? Who isn’t doing anything about? Who failed to ensure team actually have players who can play D? Who keeps bringing. Useless reclamation projects that don’t pan out? Who doesn’t have a goalie? Who has the worst bottom 6 in the league? Who has the softest team in the league?

This rebuild is not going to deliver jack shit.

 

[MasterD]

Suzuki D+8, CC Dach Newhook D+6, Guhle Barron D+5 HuGo still had 3 draft TDL FAs to change that team

This isn't a Gainey/Bergevin-tupe of retool.

Rebuilds take 5+ years.

Who has the worst bottom 6 in the league?

I'll give you that I'm not sold on coaching, but the last thing I want during a rebuild is a solid bottom 6 that would make us win games by 1 goal and draft 15th.

We need more top-5 draft picks, ideally #1-2. Tank tank tank.

 

[ReHabs]

In all of this some how Kent Hughes continues to escape the blame. Who the f*** hired a coach with zero experience to begin with? Who isn’t doing anything about? Who failed to ensure team actually have players who can play D? Who keeps bringing. Useless reclamation projects that don’t pan out? Who doesn’t have a goalie? Who has the worst bottom 6 in the league? Who has the softest team in the league?

This rebuild is not going to deliver jack shit.

This is a critical season for Uli Geller. Hopefully he has some plans and schemes.

MSL was a fine hire, inspired even. But that was then and this is now. He will be scrutinized more closely henceforth and that’s perfectly fine.

We want higher expectations than “lose as much as possible” after all.

 

[Guy Larose]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852895512447324419

Even the plane got injured.

 

[MasterD]

And what about Kirby Dach? Guess he doesn’t fit your forced narrative so it’s best to ignore him.

EDIT dumb comment

 

[Rozz]

21 playoff run was fun but also monkey's paw curling a finger, because now anytime we make any argument online someone somewhere shows up pretending like it was totally a real run

correct me if I am wrong... maybe my memory is fuzzy... but what exactly about the play offs that year wasn't real?

the boys went down 3-1 and dug down and by the pure will of Carey Price and shea Weber came back to beat the superior leafs, then went on to sweep a very strong Winnipeg team.. followed that up by beating a very good Vegas team that would go on to win their own cup shortly after, in 6 games, to eventually lose to a repeat cup winning powerhouse team in Tampa... say what you want about the covid years and the Canadian division... but once those play offs started ... they were very much real... still had to win 16 grueling games to hoist the cup. and if those play off weren't real.. then Tampa didn't actually win the cup that year? was it all just a fever dream?! Or am I missing something?

I get some people might get upset because the Habs reaching the finals that year some how ruins their negative point or argument they are trying to win... but hey, that's a "them" problem... so I'll take a "fake" play off run any time I guess.. it was f***ing blast!

..but either way, it still doesn't change the fact we're only like 3.5 years into a rebuild as I was stating.

 

[MasterD]

correct me if I am wrong... maybe my memory is fuzzy... but what exactly about the play offs that year wasn't real?

the boys went down 3-1 and dug down and by the pure will of Carey Price and shea Weber came back to beat the superior leafs, then went on to swept a very strong Winnipeg team.. followed that up by beating a very good Vegas team that would go on to win their own cup shortly after, in 6 games, to eventually lose to a repeat cup winning powerhouse team in Tampa... say what you want about the covid years and the Canadian division... but once those play offs started ... they were very much real... still had to win 16 grueling games to hoist the cup. and if those play off weren't real.. then Tampa didn't actually win the cup that year? was it all just a fever dream?! Or am I missing something?

I get some people might get upset because the Habs reaching the finals that year some how ruins their negative point or argument they are trying to win... but hey, that's a "them" problem... so I'll take a "fake" play off run any time I guess.. it was f***ing blast!

..but either way, it still doesn't change the fact we're only like 3.5 years into a rebuild as I was stating.

We never would have MADE the playoffs had the normal regular season rules been applied.

 

[ReHabs]

Are you serious? The guy who played 4 periods last season and is still rehabing from a major knee injury and surgery is the problem?

lol.

Who said he’s a problem — are you incapable of reading basic text?

 

[Wateredgarden]

Question for those who have played pro or high level hockey : why are players trying to concus other players when your team is winning?

 

[Rozz]

We never would have MADE the playoffs had the normal regular season rules been applied.

but it was covid and we did... so again.. what wasn't real about those play offs and our run? why does it bother some people so much? like as fans were not allowed to enjoy a crazy play off run? nah, I loved the f*** outta it and enjoyed every minute. can't take away from the boys what they did those playoffs.

 

[The Real Timo]

We never would have MADE the playoffs had the normal regular season rules been applied.

We almost didn’t make it anyway. I think we needed Calgarys help if I recall correctly.

 

[ReHabs]

correct me if I am wrong... maybe my memory is fuzzy... but what exactly about the play offs that year wasn't real?

the boys went down 3-1 and dug down and by the pure will of Carey Price and shea Weber came back to beat the superior leafs, then went on to sweep a very strong Winnipeg team.. followed that up by beating a very good Vegas team that would go on to win their own cup shortly after, in 6 games, to eventually lose to a repeat cup winning powerhouse team in Tampa... say what you want about the covid years and the Canadian division... but once those play offs started ... they were very much real... still had to win 16 grueling games to hoist the cup. and if those play off weren't real.. then Tampa didn't actually win the cup that year? was it all just a fever dream?! Or am I missing something?

I get some people might get upset because the Habs reaching the finals that year some how ruins their negative point or argument they are trying to win... but hey, that's a "them" problem... so I'll take a "fake" play off run any time I guess.. it was f***ing blast!

..but either way, it still doesn't change the fact we're only like 3.5 years into a rebuild as I was stating.

The regular season was BS. The underlying team wasn’t particularly good, and hadn’t been for the preceding years and has not been in the succeeding years. That’s the point most of us make when someone tries to imply that we’re some fallen giants. Nope.

 

[MasterD]

Who said he’s a problem — are you incapable of reading basic text?

Yup, sorry, went way too fast with that one, mixed comments in my head.

Carry on

 

[The Real Timo]

Even the plane got injured.

That plane will be made to run up and down the runway tomorrow until it pukes fuel.

 

[River Meadow]

On a positive note, this loss is good for the thing..

Let's keep rolling.

Next year we will have Demidov and we can really start to put this together.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

On a positive note, this loss is good for the thing..

Let's keep rolling.

Next year we will have Demidov and we can really start to put this together.

Demidov with no #2 center. back to square one.

 

[ReHabs]

Yup, sorry, went way too fast with that one, mixed comments in my head.

Carry on

Dach isn’t a problem whatsoever but he’s rightfully expected to replace Monahan’s contribution and if he cannot show progress by the end of the season then he is useless to plan around going into the future (given his injury history) and we need to acquire a top6 C.

 

[River Meadow]

Demidov with no #2 center. back to square one.

Kirby Dach

 

[RealityBytes]

hmmm.. but I seem to remember them in the finals in 20/21... weird!

Regardless... that doesn't change the fact that any year before and including 21/22 was not a rebuild year... Bergevin was still trying to make the play offs even though we had lost everyone ... He made some dumb ass moves and singed some crap hoping to bandaid over the issues and we hit rock bottom all naturally... there was no planned tank or rebuild in place... once he got canned and we hired Gorton things started down the rebuild road.... then we hired hughes, and it was clear what direction we were gonna take. they committed to the rebuild and at that trade deadline they began to sell off shit and start rhe process.... so like it or not, the only officially real planned
"rebuild" years were 22/23, 23/24 and the current 24/25.

can't put anything bergevin did onto Hugo... so yeah, at most it is only 3.5 years

I think what he is getting at is that if the playoffs lineups and schedule in 20/21 year was like normal years, the Habs would not have made the playoffs. It was special playoff series set by restrictions to regions due to COVID with Canadian teams only playing Canadian teams. That included additional teams like the Habs who did not make the regular playoffs cutoff.

In 2021, The top four teams in each division made the playoffs. In the first round, the fourth seeded team in each division played against the division winner from their division. The other series matched the second and third place teams from the divisions. Normally only three top teams made the playoffs.

 

[Rozz]

The season was BS. The underlying team wasn’t particularly good, and hadn’t been for the preceding years and has not been in the succeeding years. That’s the point most of us make when someone tries to imply that we’re some fallen giants. Nope.

I think the fact we were extreme underdogs makes the run even better... but can't say I've seen anyone implying were some how fallen giants... the discussion here has been how long the current rebuild is along... and I stand by 3.5 years as that's what it is... everything before Hugo tool over is irrelevant.

but regardless of the regular season and the covid division etc.. the play offs were the play offs.. if Tampa won the stanley cup that year... they beat us in the finals to do it. period.

to state that that run was some how fake is purely false... there was nothing easier about the playoffs. we beat very good teams to reach the finals...what they did that year a amazing for us fans to watch... price and Weber literally gave everything they had left to make that push... some of your guys needs to "win some argument" doesn't change that... but again this all started over a discussion about how far along the rebuild is.. and it's 3.5 at most... 3 years if your count actual planed tank years.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Kirby Dach

He's no top 6 player let alone a center , dude cant play 200 foot hockey

I get it he had an important injury but the issues are his decisions and last time I checked he did not have a brain injury

 

[Runner77]

It's year 3.5.

For me it began Jan. 18, 2022 when Hughes was hired. It’ll be 3 years in Jan. 2025.