Ughhhhhhh… Birds Beat Us

[Kobe Armstrong]

You gotta be more specific

Too much to count, but you know better than anyone else what it is like dealing with tankophiles and ultra homers who treat Hughes as a religious icon.

I fully question the notion that Hughes, Gorton, and MSL are in the upper echelon of GMs and Coaches.

I was happy with the Laine trade but also made it clear that this couldn’t be our only competitive move because why are we adding a notoriously injured player to our notoriously injured team and expecting it to work out?

I put a poll up this summer asking if we would rather have MSL or Rod Brind’Amour coaching us… MSL won the overwhelming majority of the vote and again I was called crazy for questioning his prowess.

Before the season I said this team was more likely In contention for 1st overall pick and not the playoffs. I was constantly told I was an idiot for thinking this team could be worse than past years, everybody was counting on progression. Dach was going to come back and be a monster, etc.

Suzuki and Caufield are having the best seasons of their lives and the team has nothing to show for it.

And for those saying rebuilds usually take a decade and we are on course - the Habs haven’t missed the playoffs for 4 straight years in their 100+ year history so congrats to Hughes and co for setting a new record for us, probably the only record that gets broken during their tenure.

Oh and if you still want to blame the mess on Bergevin… you can blame Gallagher on him but nobody forced Hughes to turn down a 1st for Anderson or to re-sign Allen and then waste retention spots on him, Edmundson, and Petry. Those were all mistakes he made.

And lastly this manager squad would’ve taken Sennecke over Demidov if he was still available - you know it, I know it too

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I’ve missed the past few games. Saw a little last night and we looked brutal.

Not for nothing but the Laval Rocket just won its 7th straight. Joshua Roy with the hat trick. He now has 7 goals in 9 games.

I watched Laval game last afternoon and it was fun to watch. I did put a like on a comment saying Rocket could smoke Habs in a game but that isn't serious. As much as I find Rockets more structured overall and having a real defensive system. the level of play of ahl is nothing compared to the fast pace of nhl. There is such an huge step between the two leagues, I mean, it's good having a farm team who performs beyong our expectations but that is all relative. We could not replace Armia, Anderson, Dvorak and Newhook by Gignac, Tuch, Roy and Condota. Because I'm mad at old vets who brings nothing I would like Habs do that move, like sending a message but I don't think it could bring results on the table.

What I'm worry is the long term developpment. How this core of young players are improving under the actual environment? What are the gossips about the Canadiens players talk between them? What is the personality of the Habs? What is the system they play? Why players give that low level of effort night after night? And no consequences? Why Habs paid a first and a second round for Dvorak and his 4,5 M? Why he still have quality ice time when the same week Torto benched Michkov?

Is the team improving slowly or the team is regressing? For myself, I'll wait another 2 months before having a definitive opinion. Maybe all this is normal in the curve of rebuilding. I'm not familiar with stripped down to the ground rebuildings.

 

[Deleted member 257557]

I remember not one single cool play from last night.

This crew makes miss Drouin and Dadonov. Throw in a Hoffman.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I remember not one single cool play from last night.

This crew makes miss Drouin and Dadonov. Throw in a Hoffman.

Newhook plays exact same as Drouin. And nobody here bash him. Dadonov and Hoffman bring the same as Dvorak and Armia.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Newhook plays exact same as Drouin. And nobody here bash him. Dadonov and Hoffman bring the same as Dvorak and Armia.

You can’t bash Newhook because Hughes was his agent. You just have to sit back and wait for the monster contract extension Quartexx has in place, all part of the master plan.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Newhook plays exact same as Drouin. And nobody here bash him. Dadonov and Hoffman bring the same as Dvorak and Armia.

Completely false. Newhook is much quicker and can actually keep possession more often than Drouin. Newhook handles traffic a lot easier than Drouin.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Newhook plays exact same as Drouin. And nobody here bash him. Dadonov and Hoffman bring the same as Dvorak and Armia.

If you think nobody is bashing Newhook, you are purposefully not reading posts that do.

Him and the trade is getting ripped and has been for several weeks.

 

[vokiel]

I remember not one single cool play from last night.

This crew makes miss Drouin and Dadonov. Throw in a Hoffman.

Well remember when Matheson drop a pass to Hutson and neither were expecting Pens to expect it?

Good times...

 

[The Real Timo]

Too much to count, but you know better than anyone else what it is like dealing with tankophiles and ultra homers who treat Hughes as a religious icon.

I fully question the notion that Hughes, Gorton, and MSL are in the upper echelon of GMs and Coaches.

I was happy with the Laine trade but also made it clear that this couldn’t be our only competitive move because why are we adding a notoriously injured player to our notoriously injured team and expecting it to work out?

I put a poll up this summer asking if we would rather have MSL or Rod Brind’Amour coaching us… MSL won the overwhelming majority of the vote and again I was called crazy for questioning his prowess.

Before the season I said this team was more likely In contention for 1st overall pick and not the playoffs. I was constantly told I was an idiot for thinking this team could be worse than past years, everybody was counting on progression. Dach was going to come back and be a monster, etc.

Suzuki and Caufield are having the best seasons of their lives and the team has nothing to show for it.

And for those saying rebuilds usually take a decade and we are on course - the Habs haven’t missed the playoffs for 4 straight years in their 100+ year history so congrats to Hughes and co for setting a new record for us, probably the only record that gets broken during their tenure.

Oh and if you still want to blame the mess on Bergevin… you can blame Gallagher on him but nobody forced Hughes to turn down a 1st for Anderson or to re-sign Allen and then waste retention spots on him, Edmundson, and Petry. Those were all mistakes he made.

And lastly this manager squad would’ve taken Sennecke over Demidov if he was still available - you know it, I know it too

Agreed. Hughes hasn’t shown to be much better than previous GMs. I never bought into rebuild to begin with. We are end of year 3 and have shown no improvement. You don’t need a rebuild to improve you bottom 6. You don’t need a rebuild to have solid bottom 3 D. You definitely don’t need a rebuild to have competent coaching stuff.

Hughes will lead us to where Bergevin led us. 10 years will go by and Habs will have made playoffs a couple of times. That’s it.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Completely false. Newhook is much quicked and can actually keep possession more often than Drouin. Newhook handles traffic a lot easier than Drouin.

Maybe but Newhook is not a player who fits somewhere comfortable. Doesn't bring enough offensively for a second line and not physical enough for a 3rd line. I can't figure out the chair he would fit the best. I don't see him being a part of a winning team in PO. He can't help beating the Panthers for example.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Agreed. Hughes hasn’t shown to be much better than previous GMs. I never bought into rebuild to begin with. We are end of year 3 and have shown no improvement. You don’t need a rebuild to improve you bottom 6. You don’t need a rebuild to have solid bottom 3 D. You definitely don’t need a rebuild to have competent coaching stuff.

Hughes will lead us to where Bergevin led us. 10 years will go by and Habs will have made playoffs a couple of times. That’s it.

And what pisses me off the most is that we seem to have handcuffed ourselves with emotional attachment to weak players

Dach, Matheson, and Newhook were all brought in because they had a personal connection to Hughes… now that they are faltering does Hughes have the stones to fix the problem?

Why was Barron kept over Kovacevic when we knew Hutson, Matheson, Xhekaj, and Struble would all need to be sheltered defensively? Did Hughe seriously think that our defenders didn’t need to be good at defense, or was he scared to take the loss on Barron and admit he got taken to the cleaners

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

If you think nobody is bashing Newhook, you are purposefully not reading posts that do.

Him and the trade is getting ripped and has been for several weeks.

I haven't read everything here. I saw some negative comments of AN but it didn't reach the level of insults JD received. Let's forget about that comparaison, JD remains in the past. I hope people here start to realise there have been some mistakes, like keeping to built a team filled with small forwards. We can already see we're not winning anything. Prospects like Tuch and Xhekaj Flo are already ahead of Farrell and others who were drafted before them. They have size if nobody noticed. Unless a player have an extra gift of skills, IQ and skating abilities like CC and Lane, it's better to built around size, heart and speed.

 

[Lebowski]

Maybe but Newhook is not a player who fits somewhere comfortable. Doesn't bring enough offensively for a second line and not physical enough for a 3rd line. I can't figure out the chair he would fit the best. I don't see him being a part of a winning team in PO. He can't help beating the Panthers for example.

He’s a versatile 3rd liner with speed and a good motor that can chip in offensively and occasionally play up the line up without looking out of place… He’s closer to a Lekhonen replacement than a Drouin replacement in terms of role and overall impact.

He’s not a core player on this team at this stage, but I still see him as a decent asset. He’s among our few decent depth pieces along with Evans as of right now.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I haven't read everything here. I saw some negative comments of AN but it didn't reach the level of insults JD received. Let's forget about that comparaison, JD remains in the past. I hope people here start to realise there have been some mistakes, like keeping to built a team filled with small forwards. We can already see we're not winning anything. Prospects like Tuch and Xhekaj Flo are already ahead of Farrell and others who were drafted before them. They have size if nobody noticed. Unless a player have an extra gift of skills, IQ and skating abilities like CC and Lane, it's better to built around size, heart and speed.

Irrelevant post. Farrell was not drafted by Hughes and he was drafted in the 4th round. He has nothing to do with anything. HuGo have drafted small players and players with size.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Today’s game felt like the vets were responsible for most of the shitty play and our rookies had to bail them out. That is not a recipe for success.

 

[ExReHabs]

If you think nobody is bashing Newhook, you are purposefully not reading posts that do.

Him and the trade is getting ripped and has been for several weeks.

You were big time into the trade, so I suppose you're still high on Newhook. It's fine, I think he can show more than 2pts in 12gp.

Today’s game felt like the vets were responsible for most of the shitty play and our rookies had to bail them out. That is not a recipe for success.

What rookies? Kapanen?

 

[The Real Timo]

I am assuming NHL isn't even reviewing Accari's head shot on Slaf?

 

[the]

Remember during the offseason when some posters wanted to trade the 1st round pick for immediate help? What a horrible mistake that would have been.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Remember during the offeseasom when some posters wanted to trade the 1st round pick for immediate help? What a horrible mistake that would have been.

There is a proper way to rebuild. And trading your first round pick when you just finished 28th the season prior isn't it.

 

[The Real Timo]

There is a proper way to rebuild. And trading your first round pick when you just finished 28th the season prior isn't it.

The proper way to rebuild is also to surround your prospects and youngsters (those the are considered "da future") with vets that can mentor them and instill good habits such as hard work, not taking a shift off, finishing checks, standing up for each other, etc. YOu can have 20 Demidovs but if the habits are like what we are seeing from Dvorak, that team will still finish bottom 5.

Same goes for coaching. You can't tell me that rebuilds happen with coaching staff that has no clue.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

The proper way to rebuild is also to surround your prospects and youngsters with vets that can mentor them and instill good habits such as hard work, not taking a shift off, finishing checks, standing up for each other, etc. YOu can have 20 Demidovs but if the habits are like what we are seeing from Dvorak, that team will still finish bottom 5.

Same goes for coaching. You can't tell me that rebuilds happen with coaching staff that has no clue.

I think at this stage, trading our first round pick this season would not be the proper way to go about things.

We most likely will pick in a range where elite talent is available. Young, cost controlled RFA years for the future. Those pieces don't generally get traded, you have to draft them.

I wouldn't be against trading the other 1st round pick (FLA/CGY) if we can get something interesting at the blue line in their early/mid twenties but I highly doubt we can get this at that price. Unless we had something like a Beck or Roy.

 

[vokiel]

He’s a versatile 3rd liner with speed and a good motor that can chip in offensively and occasionally play up the line up without looking out of place… He’s closer to a Lekhonen replacement than a Drouin replacement in terms of role and overall impact.

He’s not a core player on this team at this stage, but I still see him as a decent asset. He’s among our few decent depth pieces along with Evans as of right now.

He doesn't have the same IQ as Lehkonen and I think that's what is hurting his transition to 3rd liner. You can always get away with not understanding all the aspects of the game if you're being used as a pure driving shooter, but that just goes down the drain as soon as the lineup requires a finer tactical approach.

Bumping into Savard in his own zone is a sign of needing adjustments a lot, and he's been off position here and there lately. His play at center is usually a decoration, not really driving anything also. His versatility should show up as a helper, but it does not.

 

[ExReHabs]

Remember during the offseason when some posters wanted to trade the 1st round pick for immediate help? What a horrible mistake that would have been.

We have two first round picks. It obviously depends on the return and the conditions of the 1st round picking going out. Unlikely anyone would've sanctioned to trade away an unprotected 1st round pick.

 

[The Real Timo]

I think at this stage, trading our first round pick this season would not be the proper way to go about things.

We most likely will pick in a range where elite talent is available. Young, cost controlled RFA years for the future. Those pieces don't generally get traded, you have to draft them.

I wouldn't be against trading the other 1st round pick (FLA/CGY) if we can get something interesting at the blue line in their early/mid twenties but I highly doubt we can get this at that price. Unless we had something like a Beck or Roy.

Oh I agree but the problem with Hughes is that he will likely trade that late 1st pick for another newhook. I have zero confidence. Somehow other teams, find ways to bolster their lineups with solid hard playing 3rd and 4th lines without "mortgaging da future".

 

[admiralcadillac]

You were big time into the trade, so I suppose you're still high on Newhook. It's fine, I think he can show more than 2pts in 12gp.


What rookies? Kapanen?

And Hutson

Maybe I could’ve used the term « young players »