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Stars99Lobo37 said:
They can't even have a rational discussion about Smith and Eriksson without going crazy on Seguin on their own board. God knows what it would be like if our fans went over there.

They've already had to threaten banning Bruin posters that bring up Seguin in the Eriksson thread.
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It's like we have stalker ex-girlfriend, except it's a community.

I couldn't tell you how many times I have read "Bruins fan here, coming in peace", "Bruins fan coming to have a rational discussion" or some form of the peaceful Bruins fan coming to talk Seguin. Every time I think; "Hmm... I wonder where this will go?"
 
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RastaRockett said:
I'm just saying, we've had this "rational" discussion with Bruins fans 1000 times before. It's the same stupid conversation every time. Do you see Stars fans going to the Bruins board all the time to have a "rational" discussion about Smith and Eriksson? I wouldn't know, I don't read the Bruins board often. I know I've forgot about them.

I'm sick of Bruins fans talking about Seguin!
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Clearly you haven't had this discussion before, since most Bruins fans (and other team fans, really) on here are idiots and have tried to say that Seguin "disappeared" and was a "non factor" for the Bruins in the playoffs for his whole career in Boston, when that is just not true at all.

And if a Stars fan wants to come on the Bruins board and have a civilized discussion on anything, they're more than welcome. Team boards aren't gang neighborhoods, people are free to come and go as they please as long as they don't just come to stir stuff up, which I emphatically am not.

Maybe you've forgotten about them, but as a fan of the Bruins and someone who appreciates what Seguin brought to my team, I do have a rooting interest in what he does for the rest of his career, because he was an asset of ours that we willingly parted with. Go away bro. I'm not going to respond to you again, you're making no sense. If you don't want to be a part of the discussion, then don't. I'm not saying anything bad or trolling or anything. If you want to just forget that the trade happened or whatever in some delusion, go ahead. It's a message board about hockey, all things hockey. That's what we do, we discuss it. Or at least we try to until people like you come along and make a fuss over absolutely nothing and try to derail the whole thing.

Stars99Lobo37 said:
They can't even have a rational discussion about Smith and Eriksson without going crazy on Seguin on their own board. God knows what it would be like if our fans went over there.

They've already had to threaten banning Bruin posters that bring up Seguin in the Eriksson thread.
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They =/= me. The only negativity that has come from anything I've posted is from people either not reading what I'm saying in the first place and commenting on it, or completely taking it out of context and twisting my words around. And I've even been good about not taking the bait on that.


Mr Misty said:
I think the real villain is the NHL. If the Bruins had a playoff game by now none of this would be happening.
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Don't even get me started on that whole thing, lol. Drives me crazy, every single year it seems like the Bruins always have to wait ****ing forever. I hate it.
 
David Krejci said:
Clearly you haven't had this discussion before, since most Bruins fans (and other team fans, really) on here are idiots and have tried to say that Seguin "disappeared" and was a "non factor" for the Bruins in the playoffs for his whole career in Boston, when that is just not true at all.
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Oh, this is getting original... New territory in the saga of Tyler Seguin.
 
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David Krejci said:
So when someone loses, it's a team accomplishment and they can't be blamed for playing badly. But if they win, then they're allotted all the glory and magazine covers and legacy?

I've made it clear that there are obviously other factors that come into play. But to dismiss it as just a team accomplishment, and abscond certain players of any and all criticism, when if they win they're given all the credit and face time, is inconsistent and lame and it happens all the time.

But this thread isn't about that, I regret even bringing up the football thing because I knew it would turn into this.
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It's a team accomplishment whether it's a win or loss, or I suppose that would be a team failure. Of course media is going to pick on star players and trash them saying they weren't good enough, choked, or what have you. It's their purpose. That doesn't mean it isn't stupid.

You shouldn't regret bringing football into it. It doesn't affect the argument any one way, hell I never even brought up the NFL and kept my example to NHL. But if you insist, I will. Marino never had a help on his Dolphins teams. When did they ever have a reliable running game to take pressure off of him?
 
Rune Forumwalker said:
It's a team accomplishment whether it's a win or loss, or I suppose that would be a team failure. Of course media is going to pick on star players and trash them saying they weren't good enough, choked, or what have you. It's their purpose. That doesn't mean it isn't stupid.

You shouldn't regret bringing football into it. It doesn't affect the argument any one way, hell I never even brought up the NFL and kept my example to NHL. But if you insist, I will. Marino never had a help on his Dolphins teams. When did they ever have a reliable running game to take pressure off of him?
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To blindly blame or not blame a star player is dumb either way. But whenever a star player is justly criticized for his performance if he doesn't perform in a losing effort, there is always, always always always a contingent of people who completely ignore the fact that he didn't perform up to par, and use the "it's a team game" cop out. And those same people are the ones who will turn around and anoint someone as a demi god and give that star player all the credit for putting up ridiculous stats or winning.

How can you say Marino never had help on his Dolphins teams? He had a career .613 winning percentage. They got it done in the regular season, but folded when it really mattered. So it's okay to praise him and give him all kinds of glory for all of this:

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and use all of that as reason to call him one of the greatest of all time, but when they lose, and he doesn't get the job done, then his performance is irrelevant because it's a team game? His team and his running game was reliable enough to help him achieve all of those regular season awards and stats and records. I'm just saying, be consistent about it. There's no point in circling the wagons.

The QB is the single most important position in maybe all of sports. It isn't ALL on him, but it's fair to criticize someone who puts up all of those stats and all of those wins in the regular season, and then doesn't replicate it when the lights are at their brightest. Especially when you look at it game by game. Now I wasn't old enough to really recall specifics of Marino's career, but I vividly remember all of Peyton Manning's one and dones, all 9 of them, in fact.

I vividly remember him running roughshod over the entire NFL in the regular season, year after year, winning MVP after MVP, leading the league in every stat imaginable, breaking records left and right, only to lose at home in the first round of the playoffs to a lower seed and have nothing to show for it. And not only lose, but lose putting up very very low point totals, in some cases even getting shut out completely. The excuse making for Peyton Manning is unbearable. He finally broke through that one year and won it all, but that year has been the exception, not the rule, for his whole career.
 
David Krejci said:
To blindly blame or not blame a star player is dumb either way. But whenever a star player is justly criticized for his performance if he doesn't perform in a losing effort, there is always, always always always a contingent of people who completely ignore the fact that he didn't perform up to par, and use the "it's a team game" cop out. And those same people are the ones who will turn around and anoint someone as a demi god and give that star player all the credit for putting up ridiculous stats or winning.

How can you say Marino never had help on his Dolphins teams? He had a career .613 winning percentage. They got it done in the regular season, but folded when it really mattered. So it's okay to praise him and give him all kinds of glory for all of this:

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and use all of that as reason to call him one of the greatest of all time, but when they lose, and he doesn't get the job done, then his performance is irrelevant because it's a team game? His team and his running game was reliable enough to help him achieve all of those regular season awards and stats and records. I'm just saying, be consistent about it. There's no point in circling the wagons.

The QB is the single most important position in maybe all of sports. It isn't ALL on him, but it's fair to criticize someone who puts up all of those stats and all of those wins in the regular season, and then doesn't replicate it when the lights are at their brightest. Especially when you look at it game by game. Now I wasn't old enough to really recall specifics of Marino's career, but I vividly remember all of Peyton Manning's one and dones, all 9 of them, in fact.

I vividly remember him running roughshod over the entire NFL in the regular season, year after year, winning MVP after MVP, leading the league in every stat imaginable, breaking records left and right, only to lose at home in the first round of the playoffs to a lower seed and have nothing to show for it. And not only lose, but lose putting up very very low point totals, in some cases even getting shut out completely. The excuse making for Peyton Manning is unbearable. He finally broke through that one year and won it all, but that year has been the exception, not the rule, for his whole career.
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Did you follow the Dolphins during the Marino era much, because he didn't have great teams around him. Look at the teams that were winning in his era, notice Denver only won their championships when they had Davis too, Aikman had Michael and Emmit. Marino never really had a reliable running back or defense, both are needed in the Playoffs.
 
Though to bring it back around to Seguin, maybe they can do Pet Detective three and a Bruin fan steals the Bruins ice skating bear mascot and frames Seguin for the theft hangover style for all his partying in last years playoffs.

*this is all in jest, I'm pretty sure the Bruins dont have an Ice skating bear mascot, though that would be awesome, and I also dont think Seguins "partying" is why they lost the cup last year. But picturing Seguin, Peverley, and Thomas as the hangover guys with a large bear does amuse me.
 
The top tier of NFL QB's is not strictly Brady and Montana. Let's just clear that right now.

Tyler Seguin is a drunk.
 
oconnor9sean said:
The top tier of NFL QB's is not strictly Brady and Montana. Let's just clear that right now.

Tyler Seguin is a drunk.
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Yep though Brady is a top tier bus driver (tunaism)

I'm not sure if Seguin could even drive a bus, maybe drunk drive a bus... My bad thats the guy playing for Minnesota.
 
beepeearr said:
Did you follow the Dolphins during the Marino era much, because he didn't have great teams around him. Look at the teams that were winning in his era, notice Denver only won their championships when they had Davis too, Aikman had Michael and Emmit. Marino never really had a reliable running back or defense, both are needed in the Playoffs.
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No, like I said I was too young to remember the specifics of the Marino era. I have heard the great teams around him thing, but if that was the case, how was he able to put up all of those stats and break all of those records and have a career .613 winning percentage? If it's because it's a team game, then you can't use all of those things as a reason to why he's so great as an individual. That's all I'm saying. If you want to use the "he had no defense" thing, I'd have to go back and look at the games to give you a legit counterpoint to it, but I'd take that as a fairer point than the running back thing. But a .613 winning percentage is pretty good, and nobody says anything about him not having a defense with that.

I know the excuse for Manning for a while was that he had no defense, but that didn't stop them from going 13-3 year after year. And no defense isn't an excuse when you break records in the regular season and then show up in the first round of the playoffs after a bye and put up 10 points at home. It's just not.

oconnor9sean said:
The top tier of NFL QB's is not strictly Brady and Montana. Let's just clear that right now.

Tyler Seguin is a drunk.
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Yes it emphatically is. I hate Tom Brady, but he's up there with Montana. They stand alone. Manning had a chance to put himself in that class this year, but you can't get eviscerated like that in the Super Bowl, and make all kinds of excuses about it afterwards, after having the so called "greatest offense of all time" and breaking every record on earth up until that point. The Seahawks D is very good, but that offense was being hailed as the greatest ever, and he completely choked and gave up halfway through the game. It was a pathetic, embarrassing effort by him and by that entire team and coaching staff. F minus all around. If Manning gets another Super Bowl win, then he can be put in that category, but not right now. Especially in today's NFL, the QB is more influential than ever, you can barely touch someone without it being pass interference. But he'll never win another one, because John Fox is the biggest idiot in the world, and Manning is a coward.

beepeearr said:
Though to bring it back around to Seguin, maybe they can do Pet Detective three and a Bruin fan steals the Bruins ice skating bear mascot and frames Seguin for the theft hangover style for all his partying in last years playoffs.

*this is all in jest, I'm pretty sure the Bruins dont have an Ice skating bear mascot, though that would be awesome, and I also dont think Seguins "partying" is why they lost the cup last year. But picturing Seguin, Peverley, and Thomas as the hangover guys with a large bear does amuse me.
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His partying is definitely not why they lost the Cup, and don't let any idiot Bruins fan tell you any different. His partying may have had a hand in his poor play in the Toronto series, the story about the security guard outside his room, and him showing up to the arena in the same clothes as the night before, all came out while he was still a Bruin. Those weren't smear campaign stories. Even if the Bruins were trying to trade him, that's not something they'd leak out because it could decrease his value.

His play picked up in Game 7 of the Toronto series, and he played well for the rest of the postseason. Neither his partying or his overall play were not why they lost the Finals. But if someone wants to say that his inability to finish on premiere scoring chances had a hand in them losing the Finals, that is a fair criticism. Other than that, he played very well, I thought. But him being the player he is, he has to finish those chances, and he did get chances, good ones, even playing with Kelly and Peverley. Otherwise, well, you leave the door open and you leave yourself vulnerable for it to come back and bite you, and it did come back to bite the Bruins in the end. Those were all close games, especially in Game 4 which ended as a 1 goal game, Chicago won in OT, Seguin had a couple of really nice chances point blank and on the power play. He wasn't the only one, though. And in Game 6, in the first period, Crawford stood on his head and stoned Seguin more than once. But he was stoning everyone.
 
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You know, I'll give this "rational Bruins fan" some credit. He brought something original to the table, this is the first time we've discussed the history of elite NFL QB's before.
 
David Krejci said:
Marino might be "one of" the greatest, but he's not even in the conversation for the greatest. He's just not. Top 10. If you want to say he had the greatest arm, or the strongest arm, or whatever. Fine. But that doesn't make him the greatest Quarterback.

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Montana/Brady in a class of their own.

then the next tier is guys like Elway, Favre, Aikman, Manning (Manning could've put himself in the top tier discussion if he didn't completely piss all over himself in the Super Bowl and actually won the thing), etc. Then in the next tier is guys like Marino, and whoever else you want to put in there. So yes, he's "one of" the greatest of all time, but he's not in the conversation for greatest. I don't see how you can give a guy credit and glory for stats in the regular season, and then not hold him accountable when he doesn't have the same success in the playoffs.

Nobody is saying Iginla would suck without a Cup. But it will be "Jarome Iginla was a great player, BUT...." Same thing with Bourque. It would've been "He was one of the greatest of all time, BUT...." and that's a big but. A Cup definitely adds more than a smidge, it's the entire reason why you play the games. It is literally the entire point of the NHL.

If you're asking me, I'd rather be a guy like Tomas Holmstrom, than Pavel Bure.
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I guess by your measure Terry Bradshaw should be in the discussion for best QB of all time.

As far as Iginla and Bourque go (btw there are plenty of other guys we could mention) there is no real "but" if they did or don't win a Cup. Bourque had to go to a powerhouse team to win his. Was he really good when Colorado won the Cup? Yeah, but nobody would ever say "but he never won one" if he never went to Colorado. Nobody of consequence, anyway.
 
David Krejci said:
Okay so I can't come on the Stars board and have a rational discussion because you can't handle it...? And I should just ignore the other people (not you) that bring up Joe Thornton because...you don't like it or something? Okayyyyyy bud. And why you're using the fact that my initial post was long as some sort of negative against me, I don't understand. If you actually read it you would see how ignorant you're making yourself look, and complaining about I don't even know what.
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Dude, most people who notice something on another team's board makes a post or two about it, reads the replies, and leaves. What is to be gained here? We all know the Bruins are good. For god's sake we're fans of the NHL and your team was in the god*** Cup finals last year.

What do you want from us? You're talking to a group of people who are fans of a proud franchise who has plenty to be proud of in our time watching the team. Your team is an original six and your fans are probably better hockey fans than us but we don't care. Since the Stars have been in Texas I would wager we have more wins, both regular season and playoffs, than the Bruins. Who cares about any of this? You came in here originally to tell us our joke was lame (hint, we know that). We aren't singing enough Boston praises? Why the hell would we? Your team is in a different conference and probably rides a bus to most away games. Again, we don't care. Bravo.

I'm sure you're going to go back to the Boston forums and talk about how we're all a bunch of *******s but the truth of the matter is that we like the direction our team is going, we're happy we have your former player, and the consensus is we couldn't care less about what happens to Boston sports teams, whether it be hockey, baseball (ok I lied, **** the Red Sox), basketball or otherwise.
 
Mr Misty said:
I think the real villain is the NHL. If the Bruins had a playoff game by now none of this would be happening.
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:laugh: Most salient post in the last 10 pages.

Stars99Lobo37 said:
They can't even have a rational discussion about Smith and Eriksson without going crazy on Seguin on their own board. God knows what it would be like if our fans went over there.

They've already had to threaten banning Bruin posters that bring up Seguin in the Eriksson thread.
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I witnessed this about 20 games into the season. My hope is to bring Loui back home after he's done with those angry east coasters.

RastaRockett said:
You know, I'll give this "rational Bruins fan" some credit. He brought something original to the table, this is the first time we've discussed the history of elite NFL QB's before.
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I'm learning so much. Maybe Tony Romo really is a Super Bowl QB we just haven't surrounded him with enough talent on defense. But then, that wouldn't really matter because the greats just get it done.

On a related note I half expect to wake up and find that this thread has been closed. Probably for good reason.

TYLER SEGUIN IS AWESOME! He bought me and my friends Tequila shots at the bar last weekend ; )
 
glovesave_35 said:
:laugh: Most salient post in the last 10 pages.



I witnessed this about 20 games into the season. My hope is to bring Loui back home after he's done with those angry east coasters.



I'm learning so much. Maybe Tony Romo really is a Super Bowl QB we just haven't surrounded him with enough talent on defense. But then, that wouldn't really matter because the greats just get it done.

On a related note I half expect to wake up and find that this thread has been closed. Probably for good reason.

TYLER SEGUIN IS AWESOME! He bought me and my friends Tequila shots at the bar last weekend ; )
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Hey, at least it was the weekend BEFORE the playoffs.



I just realized he was only credited with the goal in game 1. Why didn't his slap pass count as an assist on Benn's goal?
 
What the **** is this ****

I enter a Tyler Seguin thread to post about how much I ****ing hate his guts and you people have somehow managed to talk handegg? What the ****
 
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