Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

[Micklebot]

Kleven was ranked 60th on Button's final draft list, FWIW.

He had him 93rd on 5 Oct,

Craig's List: Jamie Drysdale, Yaroslav Askarov move up in final edition - TSN.ca

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He had him 93rd on 5 Oct,

Craig's List: Jamie Drysdale, Yaroslav Askarov move up in final edition - TSN.ca

Shoot, you're right. My bad. I was mistakenly going off of his March ranking. Thanks for correcting.

 

[Micklebot]

Shoot, you're right. My bad. I was mistakenly going off of his March ranking. Thanks for correcting.

Quite the slide though... I guess the actual gap between the 60th and 93rd ranked player isn't that big, so not like a guy dropping even half that much inside the 1st round,

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Quite the slide though... I guess the actual gap between the 60th and 93rd ranked player isn't that big, so not like a guy dropping even half that much inside the 1st round,

Yeah, found that rather interesting as well, and I suspect you're right as to what it implies.

Didnt take time to analyze, but it would be very interesting to count how many of those who surpassed Kleven were playing before Craigs final list was released vs how many of those who dropped below Kleven (if there even were any who did) were active.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Quite the slide though... I guess the actual gap between the 60th and 93rd ranked player isn't that big, so not like a guy dropping even half that much inside the 1st round,

Button can be weird like that.

I know he's been a professional scout but I don't put a lot of stock into his stuff. So I think having Kleven as low as 93rd was an afterthought.

Conversely Button tends to hype up the prospects that belong to Canadian teams, so I wouldn't put much stock in his revised opinion on Kleven either. Not saying Kleven isn't surprising people, just that Button tends to pander to a Canadian audience, IMO.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He had him 93rd on 5 Oct,

Craig's List: Jamie Drysdale, Yaroslav Askarov move up in final edition - TSN.ca

He must not have watched him play amirite? ... Anyway a lot of people will have missed on Kleven by the looks of it now. Its easy to get persuaded in one direction or the other with small samples and a lot of pundits that were less than flattering. Its also easy to come around on Kleven because of what tools he brings to the table and the overall composition of the Sens defense. Would have been nice to have the U18s last year. A lot of small sample sizes went into ranking some players and there are different things to value higher or lower , rightly or wrongly. Button tends to like the big the big stage performances imo. He hit pretty close on Greig and Jarventie and several others.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

He must not have watched him play amirite? ... Anyway a lot of people will have missed on Kleven by the looks of it now. Its easy to get persuaded in one direction or the other with small samples and a lot of pundits that were less than flattering. Its also easy to come around on Kleven because of what tools he brings to the table and the overall composition of the Sens defense. Would have been nice to have the U18s last year. A lot of small sample sizes went into ranking some players and there are different things to value higher or lower , rightly or wrongly. Button tends to like the big the big stage performances imo. He hit pretty close on Greig and Jarventie and several others.

LOL. I'm not sure how much Button watches SOME of these guys to be honest. But the congratulating on Kleven and declaring the Sens "right" for picking him is pretty hilarious right now. He's played three whole games since being drafted. If he goes on to get destroyed during the WJC will he suddenly be a bust? Of course not.

Time will tell and hopefully he becomes a good player. I definitely still have my doubts but even if he struggles until he's 20 I wouldn't call him a bust or anything. There is a lot of development runway ahead of this player (and all other recent picks).

 

[Micklebot]

LOL. I'm not sure how much Button watches SOME of these guys to be honest. But the congratulating on Kleven and declaring the Sens "right" for picking him is pretty hilarious right now. He's played three whole games since being drafted. If he goes on to get destroyed during the WJC will he suddenly be a bust? Of course not.

Time will tell and hopefully he becomes a good player. I definitely still have my doubts but even if he struggles until he's 20 I wouldn't call him a bust or anything. There is a lot of development runway ahead of this player (and all other recent picks).

3 games definately isn't enough to declare the sens right for picking him, but I'd argue it is enough for those that took the claims he was devoid of puck skills at face value to rethink who he is as a prospect. 3 games at UND is probably 3 more games than many watched during his 2 years in the ushl national dev team.

 

[Sweatred]

3 games definately isn't enough to declare the sens right for picking him, but I'd argue it is enough for those that took the claims he was devoid of puck skills at face value to rethink who he is as a prospect. 3 games at UND is probably 3 more games than many watched during his 2 years in the ushl national dev team.

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[jhutter]

3 games definately isn't enough to declare the sens right for picking him, but I'd argue it is enough for those that took the claims he was devoid of puck skills at face value to rethink who he is as a prospect. 3 games at UND is probably 3 more games than many watched during his 2 years in the ushl national dev team.

3 games at UND and being selected to make the US WJC team is enough to make the people who were over the top negative about the selection look silly. That's not to say that it's a home run pick or anything.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

3 games at UND and being selected to make the US WJC team is enough to make the people who were over the top negative about the selection look silly. That's not to say that it's a home run pick or anything.

If he didn’t score on that toe drag, people would still be saying he lacks puck skills. That is how fickle fans are.

 

[BondraTime]

If he didn’t score on that toe drag, people would still be saying he lacks puck skills. That is how fickle fans are.

There's fickle, and then there's saying that he moves the puck worse than goaltenders because the doofus from Elite Prospects said so

 

[Cosmix]

I always cheer for the team that has the most Sens prospects, lol. Cheering for the U.S. and Germany this year!

I am cheering for the Canadian team and the Senator’s draft picks.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If he didn’t score on that toe drag, people would still be saying he lacks puck skills. That is how fickle fans are.

And if he had played horrible and fumbled every single puck he had on his stick those three games for UND people would say 3 games isn’t enough to judge his puck handling skills lol.

the toe drag had nothing to do with anything. It was a bonus. He did a lot more good things in those games than that

 

[bert]

To be fair to Bahl, it’s harder to play that style on big ice.

So whoever this poster is you quoted somehow quoted me? But I cant tell?

 

[Cosmix]

One Andy Sutton for me please.

I liked Andy’s play when he was with the team. No player would mess with Karlsson when Big Andy was there.

 

[cudi]

I liked Andy’s play when he was with the team. No player would mess with Karlsson when Big Andy was there.

Are you an expert?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

There's fickle, and then there's saying that he moves the puck worse than goaltenders because the doofus from Elite Prospects said so

so you heard someone say that too?

 

[Micklebot]

so you heard someone say that too?

I saw someone post that either here or on the prospects board, maybe both idk. It stemmed from some sort of pass completion % stat,

 

[BondraTime]

I saw someone post that either here or on the prospects board, maybe both idk. It stemmed from some sort of pass completion % stat,

It was both, which then resulted in a pile on.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I saw someone post that either here or on the prospects board, maybe both idk. It stemmed from some sort of pass completion % stat,

Pretty sure I said in the prospects thread that I heard that ... truthfully not remembering where.. I saw it. It was just a comment. It did seem a little far fetched but it was supposedly a stat that someone had tracked . It was said like that

I like what I have seen from Kleven at UND and I'm hoping he gets a top 6 role with the US WJC team.
As I have mentioned before , but not enough I guess, lol, I did not like the trade up at the time ,, but I am warming up on the pick. Fickle I guess.

 

[Bileur]

Pretty sure JD Burke and co mentioned it in their super long ranking video. They had a DND grade on him.

 

[GCK]

So whoever this poster is you quoted somehow quoted me? But I cant tell?

It was Sweatred

 

[RAFI BOMB]

There's fickle, and then there's saying that he moves the puck worse than goaltenders because the doofus from Elite Prospects said so

From what I remember a large percentage of internet scouts were very critical of Kleven and dismissive of his skill set leading into the draft. I think that may have lead to a lot of the inaccurate assessments of him as a prospect. It wasn't easy to get viewings of him so a lot of people deferred to the assessments and "expertise" of these internet scouts. Maybe that is why they are internet scouts and not hired by NHL teams. If I remember correctly McKenzie was the only public scout that had Kleven ranked in the early 30s. Many other public rankings had him late 2nd round or into the 3rd round, or worse some had him as a 4th or 5th round pick.

Everything I have seen from Kleven's coaches suggest quite a bit of confidence in his skill set and upside. They had (or have) the opportunity to see him on a daily basis and work with him so if they speak so highly of him then that is a pretty good indication that he has solid upside.

 

[Que]

From what I remember a large percentage of internet scouts were very critical of Kleven and dismissive of his skill set leading into the draft. I think that may have lead to a lot of the inaccurate assessments of him as a prospect. It wasn't easy to get viewings of him so a lot of people deferred to the assessments and "expertise" of these internet scouts. Maybe that is why they are internet scouts and not hired by NHL teams. If I remember correctly McKenzie was the only public scout that had Kleven ranked in the early 30s. Many other public rankings had him late 2nd round or into the 3rd round, or worse some had him as a 4th or 5th round pick.

Everything I have seen from Kleven's coaches suggest quite a bit of confidence in his skill set and upside. They had (or have) the opportunity to see him on a daily basis and work with him so if they speak so highly of him then that is a pretty good indication that he has solid upside.

I am the guy who reads endless reviews of players but rarely spends time watching. From what I can tell about Klevin is that his critics were people that watched about as much video as I did. They watched a couple highlights, saw a few big hits, looked at his size and typecast him.

There were about three or four people who posted very well written reports or reviews on him that praised his shot, skating, lateral mobility and stick handling with and without the puck.

I seem to recall a post on how he got put on deeper and older teams and because of his size and age was used as a defensive first player. Welcomes it and did well even as a younger player which spoke highly of his character, iq and adaptability.

By far and away my favourite draft pick this team has made since... Karlsson.