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Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

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Hi folks,

Great news on this prospect. Hopefully he can make the squad and then get an opportunity to show what he can do. I recognize this was a questioned pick this year, but as a fan of the game I find myself cheering for these guys to show us that the scouts were right.

As I’ve said on my previous visits to your Board before, I’m happy for you all that you’re getting some positive things happening for your Team after being mocked the last few years.

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Kleven maybe can mean “Big Bad Ass Dog”

Cheers
 
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The talk out of UND all summer and leading up to the draft (especially August and September) was that Kleven was showing tons of skill in practices and scrimmages (of which the Sens had video/live viewings), but that wasn't talked about at all. His stature, style and statline instead drove a narrative that he was a big physical oaf with zero skill at passing or with the puck
 
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BondraTime said:
The talk out of UND all summer and leading up to the draft (especially August and September) was that Kleven was showing tons of skill in practices and scrimmages (of which the Sens had video/live viewings), but that wasn't talked about at all. His stature, style and statline instead drove a narrative that he was a big physical oaf with zero skill at passing or with the puck
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I certainly bought in to that narrative. I only saw highlights of him and bought into what the Internet “scouts” were saying. He’s way more mobile than I had expected.
 
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I certainly was not excited about Kleven. Heard and read too many things about a couple of tools and no toolbox so to speak. Would be great if he pans out because the style he seems to like to play we don't really have coming through the pipes. Nice to see he has some serious potential.
 
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Does anyone which of the LHD at the camp have experience playing RHD? There are only 3RHD at camp.

Any ideas as to how the US roster will be broken down? I suspect we can assume a given of 13fwds, 3g, and 7D, which leaves 2 spots. Safe money on 1F + 1D?
 
SadEugeneOregonDonor said:
Does anyone which of the LHD at the camp have experience playing RHD? There are only 3RHD at camp.

Any ideas as to how the US roster will be broken down? I suspect we can assume a given of 13fwds, 3g, and 7D, which leaves 2 spots. Safe money on 1F + 1D?
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If I was to guess based on why I’ve seen over the past year (limited, and even no games played with some of the guys at camp)

Sanderson-Helleson
York-Faber
LaCombe- 3 of Skinner/Kleven/Johnson/Thrun/McDonald

Skinner has the inside edge as the 3rd right handed shot.

If they take 8 D, as I’m assuming they will, I think Kleven has a decent chance as the 7/8 D with a chance to move up to the 3rd pairing.

If they take 7, I think Kleven is on the fence, with things looking down.

The fact they took McDonald to the camp leads me to believe he may have an inside edge in the eyes of the coaching staff, though I don’t see him on the team.

There are going to be some high picks (2019 2nds and possibly 1st) who are not able to crack the team, it’s a strong/full slate of 2001’s).

I think there is a good chance Kleven is cracking the roster, even if he doesn’t get much ice time.
 
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McDonald is a bit of a puzzler to me amongst that group. Small undrafted D with little offensive prodution... whats the book on him?

Would you assume Skinner is a lock given he's one of only 3 RHD?
 
How is it possible that there's a debate about such an insignificant detail. "Sens traded up" is a simple fact. It's exactly the type of information I would have added, but I would have specified traded 59th OA + 64 th OA for 44 th OA

Sens also traded the 18th OA pick in 2008 and the 70th OA in 2009 to trade up and grab Erik Karlsson 15th OA in 2008. It can have a pretty "positive" result as well.

Tuna99 said:
Don’t think he traded up for Lehner, his trading up record isn’t great (Logan Brown, Soggard, Gagne) so I can see the apprehensive from fans thinking he falls in love with big players who don’t pan out
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Lehner was drafted in 2009 (7 years before Dorion became GM). No idea who brought him up and why. Must be some very specific agenda.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
LD Tyler Kleven - USNTDP, USHL (2020, 44th, OTT)
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So this is where it ALL started :

"LMAO JD Burke of ELite prospects just said this is a terrible pick.

They have analytic stats that says Kleven had the worst succssfull player to player pass connection percentage. Worst than the goalies on his USNDT team."

aragorn said:
Anyone think they overpaid to move up to get this guy still? And he has a long reach which came in handy to break up that breakaway. Good for him & good for Ottawa to draft this guy, he's exactly the kind of player they need on a 3rd pairing.
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No I don't think they paid anything out of the ordinary to get the 44th OA pick (59 + 64). A 3rd doesn't seem like a big payment to move up 15 spots in the 2nd

Also, Kleven was ranked 36th OA on McKenzie's list (which basically surveys real NHL scouts), so it's not like he was a reach (despite what many internet scouts said?)

I heard a lot of speculation on draft day on this side (Montreal) that the Habs were likely to pick him with one of their 2nds (47th or 48th). Anyway, Ottawa knew he wasn't going to be there when they pick again (61st)
 
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Xspyrit said:
So this is where it ALL started :

"LMAO JD Burke of ELite prospects just said this is a terrible pick.

They have analytic stats that says Kleven had the worst succssfull player to player pass connection percentage. Worst than the goalies on his USNDT team."



No I don't think they paid anything out of the ordinary to get the 44th OA pick (59 + 64). A 3rd doesn't see like a big payment to move up 15 spots in the 2nd

Also, Kleven was ranked 36th OA on McKenzie's list (which basically surveys real NHL scout), so it's not like he was a reach (despite what many internet scouts said?)

I heard a lot of speculation on draft day on this side (Montreal) that the Habs were likely to pick him with one of their 2nds (47th or 48th). Anyway, Ottawa knew he wasn't going to be there when they pick again (61st)
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I don't know who JD Burke is and I'm not sure it's a terrible pick, but if there's any reason that Kleven won't make it in the NHL it's because of his lack of passing ability. I'd be much higher about Kleven if he started showing the ability to make difficult passes.
 
HzH said:
I don't know who JD Burke is and I'm not sure it's a terrible pick, but if there's any reason that Kleven won't make it in the NHL it's because of his lack of passing ability. I'd be much higher about Kleven if he started showing the ability to make difficult passes.
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The thing is 18 y/o players are far from finished products. Passing is a technical skill that you can improve. Personally, I put a lot more stock in people coaching these kids takes, telling us where they are now and how they could progress. Then you have the guy covering UND hockey. Then there is some games and highlights available. Kleven never sounded or looked like the crap prospect that some (like that Burke guy) made him sound being
 
ReginKarlssonLehner said:
He'll stick on that team. He'll provide an exciting dimension that they need and will want. When I was watching him I swear I thought "if there's a chance, he'll be on the team." and poof.

Sanderson and Kleven means im cheering on the States, lol. Sucks Pinto is month and half too old.
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I always cheer for the team that has the most Sens prospects, lol. Cheering for the U.S. and Germany this year!
 
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GCK said:
I certainly bought in to that narrative. I only saw highlights of him and bought into what the Internet “scouts” were saying. He’s way more mobile than I had expected.
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It's almost like if "internet scouts" who use some fancy models with statistical lines (like Bader) have more influence on public opinion than coaches who see these kids on a daily basis and other people covering their team full time. Personally, my opinion is more influenced by these people and also a pre-draft list like McKenzie (who had Kleven 36th OA) who is built with real scouts opinions.

@MrCraigAnderson also posted a link with games in this thread, post #88

2020 U18 Five Nations - Chomutov, Czech Republic
 
Xspyrit said:
Lehner was drafted in 2009 (7 years before Dorion became GM). No idea who brought him up and why. Must be some very specific agenda.
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there’s no agenda; there’s just my opinion and your opinion (which is wrong of course) living side by side here at HFBoards. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean I am not right.
 
By the way, anyone likes Joel Edmundson as a possible comparable for Kleven?


Tuna99 said:
there’s no agenda; there’s just my opinion and your opinion (which is wrong of course) living side by side here at HFBoards. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean I am not right.
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lol ok... but I was not talking about YOU having an agenda at all... I guess it was too subtle or you just totally misread what I have said, but Lehner (drafted 7 years before Dorion was GM) was brought in a Kleven conversation by somebody else to actually take a devious side jab at Colin White, for some nebulous reason.
 
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Xspyrit said:
By the way, anyone likes Joel Edmundson as a possible comparable for Kleven?




lol ok... but I was not talking about YOU having an agenda at all... I guess it was too subtle or you just totally misread what I have said, but Lehner (drafted 7 years before Dorion was GM) was brought in a Kleven conversation by somebody else to actually take a devious side jab at Colin White, for some nebulous reason.
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If Kleven can learn to pass like Phaneuf he’ll be excellent
 
Xspyrit said:
It's almost like if "internet scouts" who use some fancy models with statistical lines (like Bader) have more influence on public opinion than coaches who see these kids on a daily basis and other people covering their team full time. Personally, my opinion is more influenced by these people and also a pre-draft list like McKenzie (who had Kleven 36th OA) who is built with real scouts opinions.

@MrCraigAnderson also posted a link with games in this thread, post #88

2020 U18 Five Nations - Chomutov, Czech Republic
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would their coaches ever say "nah this guy just doesnt have it"
 
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