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Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)
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I wish I could say he has Phaneuf potential but can't say that at the moment, he would have to really boom to reach that level. Dion was a pure beast in Calgary
Norris votes finishes in 5 seasons with the Flames : 2 - 6 - 8 - 12 -16
He was still good in Toronto and initially when he joined Ottawa but he was a player that couldn't afford to lose a lot of speed/quickness and you could see the steep decline coming in 2017-18
So far my favorite comparison if all goes well for Kleven is Edmunson.
Of course not but the content of the message is IMO more important than random takes on the internet based on flawed models.
But surely you can disagree, no problem. I'm someone who relies more on professional advice/opinions rather than random people's opinions, and not just when it comes to hockey. I tend to do the same with real estate, finances, medical stuff, education, etc. To each their own.
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People have to stop comparing Kleven with top pairing or 2nd pairing defencemen & start comparing him to 3rd pairing defencemen in the NHL. Kleven was drafted to be the 3rd pairing left shot shutdown defencemen on a future Ottawa team behind Chabot & Sanderson. He's not going to put up 40 pts or play on the PP or be expected to score in overtime to win a game. He was selected to play good defensively, play on the PK, make some big hits, drop the gloves if need be, stop the other team from scoring & protect the front of his own net.
He just got drafted & just started to play for UND as a rookie & has already made a big difference there including being invited to the WJC US team, they don't pick guys who can't pass. He is only going to get bigger, better & tougher & I expect being on the best team in the country will get plenty of very good coaching & improve in every area including passing. IMO Ottawa has drafted a very good defensive shutdown defenceman who will improve a future team significantly including protecting his teammates.
He just got drafted & just started to play for UND as a rookie & has already made a big difference there including being invited to the WJC US team, they don't pick guys who can't pass. He is only going to get bigger, better & tougher & I expect being on the best team in the country will get plenty of very good coaching & improve in every area including passing. IMO Ottawa has drafted a very good defensive shutdown defenceman who will improve a future team significantly including protecting his teammates.
Tyler Kleven.
The Paul Coffey of Luke Schenn's.
The Paul Coffey of Luke Schenn's.
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Who knows... the kid has a good shot. BoroCop led our defence in goals last year well on his his way to a 10G season. 5 years ago he couldn’t handle the puck well and he didn’t have the shot he has today.
Think this kid deserves a bump.
After being named to USA junior team we should collectively reevaluate the thoughts on this kid. I don't mean those in the minority that supported it...not looking for anyone to say they were in on him all along.
Pretty obviously the general thought was it was a shock they picked him. From the really wild, "his goalies complete more exit passes than he does" to the more subdued I think it is pretty damn impressive how quickly he turned many opinions around.
Despite him being an early pick I am really happy how his story seems to be trending into a feel good VS a horror.
It is still a suspense overall but I am anxious to see how it goes and ultimately ends.
After being named to USA junior team we should collectively reevaluate the thoughts on this kid. I don't mean those in the minority that supported it...not looking for anyone to say they were in on him all along.
Pretty obviously the general thought was it was a shock they picked him. From the really wild, "his goalies complete more exit passes than he does" to the more subdued I think it is pretty damn impressive how quickly he turned many opinions around.
Despite him being an early pick I am really happy how his story seems to be trending into a feel good VS a horror.
It is still a suspense overall but I am anxious to see how it goes and ultimately ends.
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The Sens board Internet SUPER SCOUTS got caught vocalizing how they think they are smarter than PD again.
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Tyler was ranked 36th on Bob McKenzie's list, which partially reveals how real NHL scouts feel about these prospects. He was never really a "reach" so I don't understand why this pick didn't get the benefit of the doubt.
Sure, people will always have various preferences on "who we should draft" based on who else is available but same story with Sanderson. He was not a reach, just that the Sens are among the teams that were high on the guy and time will tell if they were right or wrong. Sure, no team hits anything close to 1,000 but I think the Sens deserve a bit of the benefit of the doubt based on their track record for years. It's not perfect but quite good if you compare it to teams like Montreal and Toronto for example, who seem to have a very hard time manufacturing players outside of players selected high. Now imagine if the financial situations were reversed, our "hockey life" would be quite different.
Overall, the only picks in this draft (not talking about 5th and 6th round picks) that you could feel that we "reached" on are Jarventie, Sokolov and Merilainen. Kleven is not among them. Yes there was some reports/takes that could make you feel he was not a great pick at that spot but even based on information available at the time of the draft (particularly Nick Fohr assessment), there was enough out there to make you feel at least intrigued with this pick.
We don't know how it will end up but there's enough reason to be optimistic enough about this pick, at least for now.
And regarding the 3 picks we "reached" on, I don't think many are regretting having Jarventie so far. Sokolov as well, that pick is also quite interesting, particularly if he lost weight and worked on his skating. Still don't know what to make of Merilainen, it's going to be "way too early for him for a while. Wish we didn't draft yet another goalie at that spot but the guy could still end up very good
Sure, people will always have various preferences on "who we should draft" based on who else is available but same story with Sanderson. He was not a reach, just that the Sens are among the teams that were high on the guy and time will tell if they were right or wrong. Sure, no team hits anything close to 1,000 but I think the Sens deserve a bit of the benefit of the doubt based on their track record for years. It's not perfect but quite good if you compare it to teams like Montreal and Toronto for example, who seem to have a very hard time manufacturing players outside of players selected high. Now imagine if the financial situations were reversed, our "hockey life" would be quite different.
Overall, the only picks in this draft (not talking about 5th and 6th round picks) that you could feel that we "reached" on are Jarventie, Sokolov and Merilainen. Kleven is not among them. Yes there was some reports/takes that could make you feel he was not a great pick at that spot but even based on information available at the time of the draft (particularly Nick Fohr assessment), there was enough out there to make you feel at least intrigued with this pick.
We don't know how it will end up but there's enough reason to be optimistic enough about this pick, at least for now.
And regarding the 3 picks we "reached" on, I don't think many are regretting having Jarventie so far. Sokolov as well, that pick is also quite interesting, particularly if he lost weight and worked on his skating. Still don't know what to make of Merilainen, it's going to be "way too early for him for a while. Wish we didn't draft yet another goalie at that spot but the guy could still end up very good
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I think some fans take issue with the fact that the Sens traded up and left a few "shinier" prospects to choose Kleven (over the Habs as the rumour at the time had it). Why reach to get a 3rd pairing defenceman?
Well, I think that's his floor - that he is a future NHLer with his physical and defensive attributes as a 3rd pairing defenceman. From limited viewing, with his skating and some grooming he can reach a higher ceiling, a la Methot/Volchenkov, who can pair up in the team's top-4. I think his ceiling is what prompted the scouting staff to twist Dorion's arm to move up and pick Kleven out of the pool of prospects still on board.
If he reaches his potential and is on the 3rd pair behind the likes of Chabot, Sanderson, Brannstrom, JBD, Lassi T, et. al., that's still great value out of this pick as it means the others listed have also met their potential. Kleven is prototypical to the identify the Sens are trying to build up for the next decade.
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Bahl wasn't as physical as I hoped for Canada last year, I think we see tougher version of Bahl from Kleven. He erases guys with hits.
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Was the wjc in 2019-20 not on big ice? I don't recall what surface was used last year...
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Bit smaller than international, bit bigger than NHL. Not really much difference, extra 5 feet in width or something
I like the makeup of the D moving forward, and we will probably draft another talent next year. From Alsing to Zub, we've got it covered. I want Dorion to allow for the development of our draft picks to play out and not be tempted to deal one or two in a trade for someone who only has a few years with us.
Chabot and Sanderson are given as LD rocks and from there we have a very nice mix of talent and options.
Chabot and Sanderson are given as LD rocks and from there we have a very nice mix of talent and options.
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Why reach for a 3rd pairing defencemen? Because they identified him as exactly what they needed on the backend given that they don't have that same style in any other of their D prospects. Kleven IMO will make the 3rd pairing bigger, tougher & quite honestly better than any other 3rd pair this team has ever had. With Chabot, Sanderson & Kleven on the left side this team should have a very good left side. While Kleven may have 2nd pairing potential & I think he has, the only way he moves up is if one of the other two get hurt or traded which I doubt will happen anytime soon.
IMO Kleven will be better than Volchenkov & maybe better than Method, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a left shot & will be behind Chabot & Sanderson unless he is able to pass those two, which I think most doubt. JBD & Lassi play the right side so they won't affect Kleven in any way so I see that as a moot point. IMO Brannstrom will challenge JBD & Lassi for a RD top 4 spot since I doubt he beats out Chabot or Sanderson for a top two LD pairing spot.
I also doubt Brannstrom will play on the 3rd pairing to challenge Kleven, I like a bigger, tougher 3rd pairing D that can play on the PK which is why I don't like smaller players on the 3rd pairing. It will be much more likely that he either succeeds on the right side or is moved out. IMO it will be up to JBD, Brannstrom, Lassi, Zub, Guennette & Jaros to fight it out for the next two RD spots on the 2nd & 3rd pairing. And if Ottawa drafts a RD in the 2021 draft which I'm hoping they will, that is another guy to challenge those guys for one of the two future RD spots. I think it could come down to Brannstrom, Lassi or Guennette for that 2nd RD spot & depending who they draft in 2021. We'll see.
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Button on TSN1200 this morning said watching Klevin at UND so far this year, he may have under estimated his puck skills.
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Its nice to hear someone admit a mistake. Too many people willing to die on a dumb hill.
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To be fair, Button still rated Kleven as a 2nd rounder - just more to the end than towards the middle.
That said, I find Button can really dig in on guys he is high on but is pretty good at admitting when someone exceeds his projections or expectations.
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