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Proposal: Trouba to Pitt

JetsHomer

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MrTylerKennedy said:
You listed two other defensemen here, Ristolainen who is not even close to being top-tier and Lindholm, who can also very well be gone. If we're including forwards, add about every elite forward: Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin. It's not a contest to come up with more names. It's about the Jets either taking an unnecessary risk or them not being as high on Trouba as this highly intelligent board.
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"Lindholm, who can also very well be gone"

Would you consider Subban a star player? How about ROR? Hamilton? Tarasenko? Seguin? Hall?


All signed contracts after July 1st
 
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wej20

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DearDiary said:
Isn't Trouba an RD? If the Pens make this trade, that makes Dumoulin the #2D and leaves Trouba on the 2nd Pairing, because he can't take Letangs spot. Daley would also have to play on the wrong side to make it work.

Letang
Trouba
Daley
Schultz


The Pens run into the same problem of having all their D depth being RD.
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Daley's comfortable playing the left side. Dumoulin-Letang was an excellent 1st pairing during the playoffs. Not saying we should deal for Trouba but the fact that he's a righty is of little consequence, often it makes sense to have your two best D on different pairs.
 
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What's going to be the plan for Myers then? Jets fans seem adamant that Trouba is there to stay, and WPG org would be smart to make that reality. He's much better than Myers possession wise for sure, and maybe even scoring wise despite mediocre production last year.

But I ask because there's no way they have so much $ tied up in RD without offloading one right? Perhaps for a LD? They could actually manage that much money in RD if they offloaded all their bad contracts and iced a lineup with a bunch of their young studs like Connor, Laine, Petan, etc but that is much easier said than done.
 
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Russian Factor said:
What's going to be the plan for Myers then? Jets fans seem adamant that Trouba is there to stay, and WPG org would be smart to make that reality. He's much better than Myers possession wise for sure, and maybe even scoring wise despite mediocre production last year.

But I ask because there's no way they have so much $ tied up in RD without offloading one right? Perhaps for a LD? They could actually manage that much money in RD if they offloaded all their bad contracts and iced a lineup with a bunch of their young studs like Connor, Laine, Petan, etc but that is much easier said than done.
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2015-16 5v5 time on ice per game:

RHD Byfuglien 18.05
RHD Trouba 16.78
RHD Myers 16.69
LHD Enstrom 16.66
LHD Chiarot 13.15
LHD Stuart 12.90

They could carry on with what they've been doing last year. Trouba-Byfuglien is a good pairing.
 
Riptide

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DearDiary said:
Isn't Trouba an RD? If the Pens make this trade, that makes Dumoulin the #2D and leaves Trouba on the 2nd Pairing, because he can't take Letangs spot. Daley would also have to play on the wrong side to make it work.

Letang
Trouba
Daley
Schultz


The Pens run into the same problem of having all their D depth being RD.
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Daley can play both sides (he looked great playing LD with Letang), and if we acquired Trouba, we'd almost have to resign Daley to an extension. Which means another D making 4m+. Oh, not to mention Dumoulin also needs a new contract, so there's another D making 3.5m+.

We cannot afford Trouba making 5m+ when we've traded away a top 4D on a great contract in Maatta.

wej20 said:
Daley's comfortable playing the left side. Dumoulin-Letang was an excellent 1st pairing during the playoffs. Not saying we should deal for Trouba but the fact that he's a righty is of little consequence, often it makes sense to have your two best D on different pairs.
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He's a LHD who can play the right side. Like Martin in that regard.
 

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"Lindholm, who can also very well be gone"

Would you consider Subban a star player? How about ROR? Hamilton? Tarasenko? Seguin? Hall?


All signed contracts after July 1st
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You are literally proving my point with these examples. What do all these players besides Tarasenko have in common? They are no longer with that team. The Habs stinginess made them sign Subban for far more AAV than they could have earlier, eventually leading them to trade him.
 
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Riptide

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go4hockey said:
:laugh: Pittsburgh does this deal in a second. The Jets are the ones saying no thanks.
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Take some time to consider ALL the implications. It's not as clear cut as you think.
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Yeah I always find it hilarious when people make comments like that. As if the only reason why GMs made trades is to acquire the "better" or "more valuable" players. If Go4hockey had looked at what most of the responses of those saying no, he'd realize that very few (if any) are saying that it's bad value for PIT. But yeah, I guess that doesn't matter and apparently we don't know anything about a winning hockey team. :laugh:
 
JetsHomer

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Pens1566 said:
Great. Good for you. Keep hold of those "top prospects". Let us know how it works out for you.
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yeah you're right, who needs elite 19 year old players that led the NCAA in scoring and will likely be top 9 NHL players next year. I'm sure the Penguins are just overflowing with players like that
 
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Pens1566 said:
Great. Good for you. Keep hold of those "top prospects". Let us know how it works out for you.
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The Jets are a team that is mainly building via the draft with a plan to construct a team that competes perennially. They wouldn't likely give any consideration whatsoever to giving up any top prospects akin to a Kyle Connor prior those players realizing their asset values as NHL players; that would be poor management.

They've also zero need to consider offers of any LD at the expense of trading a Connor or Trouba, frankly. To do that would ignore that they've former first round pick Josh Morrissey ready to graduate and fill a hole on the left side - continuing with their in-house build.
 
Mr Jiggyfly

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JetsHomer said:
yeah you're right, who needs elite 19 year old players that led the NCAA in scoring and will likely be top 9 NHL players next year. I'm sure the Penguins are just overflowing with players like that
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The Pens just won the cup on the strength of four rookies very few on these boards ever heard of until the playoffs started.

The Pens are certainly not in some kind of desperate need for anyone in the Jets org.
 
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JetsHomer said:
When you factor in the fact that Connor is a top 10 prospect in the league.....yeah it is.
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Top 10? Debatable. But I will say he's a very good prospect.

And what happens next summer when PIT can't afford to sign and lose one of Dumoulin, Daley or Bonino, or fill out the roster with the depth that just allowed them to win the cup?

Connor is a very good prospect, and one I'd love to have in our org. But not at the expense of Maatta's very cap friendly contract - something we'll need a lot more of over the coming years.
 
Pens1566

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GoJetsGo55 said:
Haha damn you beat me to it. :laugh:

Porter was also picked 119TH overall. I am so very confused as to where he was getting this comparison from.

I mean...was the point just "some drafted players suck"?
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The point was that even the Hobey Baker winner can end up being a non-factor at the next level. This place puts way too high a value on potential when most never live up to their hype. Yeah, the site is called "Hockey's Future", but that doesn't mean the reality of it can't be taken into consideration.

The risk/uncertainty of the return is a non starter for the Pens when they're contending and facing cap concerns down the road. I guess I thought this was obvious as several pens fans had responded in kind.

GoJetsGo55 said:
I dunno. I have my doubts.
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Appreciate the session Dr.
 
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Pens1566 said:
The point was that even the Hobey Baker winner can end up being a non-factor at the next level. This place puts way too high a value on potential when most never live up to their hype. Yeah, the site is called "Hockey's Future", but that doesn't mean the reality of it can't be taken into consideration.

The risk/uncertainty of the return is a non starter for the Pens when they're contending and facing cap concerns down the road. I guess I thought this was obvious as several pens fans had responded in kind.



Appreciate the session Dr.
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Right....so......prospects can bust. Gotcha. If we take out the fact that certain prospects have a higher chance to succeed and have a high value, then you're 100% correct.
 

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Tbj4life said:
I think this fills a need for both teams.

Trouba
Connor

For

Maatta
Pouliot
2017 2nd

Solves the Jets LHD problems and both are on great contracts, they have plenty of W depth. Pitt gets a good RHD and Connor can jump in the top 6 which needs help on the wings.
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Why in the hell would Winnipeg do that? That is laughable.
 
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