Someone can't take a hint and drop the argument already, give it a rest and move on.
Proposal: Trouba to Pitt
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Someone can't take a hint and drop the argument already, give it a rest and move on.
Romang67
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Porter was a senior when he won the Hobey Baker. He was 22 years old. Surely you can't mean that he would a comparable player to Connor in this regard?
If we were discussing Jimmy Vesey, the comparison would make sense. However, unless you bring up another player that busted after having similar Freshman season numbers to Connor's, I don't think what you're saying really pertain to Connor at all.
Honour Over Glory
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Wait, why are we doing this from the Pens perspective? Olli hasn't had time to really have a good off season and he still wasn't half bad given that, the guy has immense potential and has shown more than enough of it to warrant better respect than he's getting in this thread.
As for Pouliot, take him...we'll take a 2nd round pick.
As for Pouliot, take him...we'll take a 2nd round pick.
JetsHomer
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Why do the Pens do it? Because Trouba is better than Maata and Connor is worth a hell of a lot more than Pouliot and a second
Dylonus
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PhilJets
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Pittsburgh is a super fast and offensively gifted team already.
Adding Connor . geez...
Kessel and Connor flanking your (PENS) 3rd line next if this trade happens?
But of course Chevy is not dumb to make that trade
Adding Connor . geez...
Kessel and Connor flanking your (PENS) 3rd line next if this trade happens?
But of course Chevy is not dumb to make that trade
Mr Jiggyfly
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Trouba is better than Maatta? Really?
Trouba most certainly isn't better defensively and Maatta had two less points this season, while Trouba played in 15 more games. Maatta didn't even have the benefit of off-season training the past two summers either.
I like Trouba, but he is getting overrated around here. Trouba is not an upgrade over Maatta, and his new salary would put a huge strain on the Pens cap. So exactly why would the Pens make this swap?
We'll see how how Pouliot does vs Connor over the next few seasons, but Pens fans wanted to trade Dumoulin for a third rounder last summer.
Now he is a legit top pairing guy that will have some new bling on his finger soon. He is also three years older than Pouliot.
CarlWinslow
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Trouba is massively overrated by Jets fans. Maata is definitely better. I agree.
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The Olympics haven't even started and we already have a gold medalist in mental gymnastics.
Trouba's playing with Mark Stuart while Maata plays with Kris Letang, and Crosby/Malkin's lines primarily. Trouba's top forward pairing starts with Drew Stafford, who's a middle six winger and then Burmistrov and Scheifele who was our #2C. For reference, Trouba got as much time deployed with 3rd liner Adam Lowry and 4th liner Chris Thorburn as he did with Blake Wheeler. Our #1 C for the bulk of last season finished 10th amongst forwards for time played with Trouba. When Stuart got injured and Trouba got to play with Byfuglien we saw his numbers improve defensively and offensively. Unfortunately it wasn't long term, as a Stuart/Chiarot pairing was beyond a mess in all 3 zones.
Links for reference:
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1806&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1799&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5
Yeah I mean who cares about the salary cap and what adding another expensive contract to the roster means for other players who need contracts.
You might want to actually learn something about the player you're trying to mock then you won't look as ridiculous when you make comments like the one you just made.
He was our 3rd most used D playing 21+ minutes a night on a cup winning team. In the finals series he was playing ~23:20 a night - which is damn close to top pairing minutes - and more importantly never looked out of place doing so regardless of who he was up against.
Umm, almost no one wanted to move him for a 3rd last summer (2 summers ago maybe).
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JimmyTwoTimes
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In what way was that an attempt to mock anyone? If something here is ridiculous, it's your reading comprehension...
What I was saying that it's quite funny how Trouba is widely overrated, a #3 at best, but then someone who has been a 20+ minutes a night defenseman for one playoff run, is now a top pairing guy. Dumoulin was nowhere near a top pairing guy during the regular season. And you can obviously keep ignoring his linemates. There is a massive difference between having Letang as your defensive partner and Crosbys, Malkins, Kessels etc. - in other words the best offense in the league in front of you, and having Stuart as your partner, and Burmistrov and Stafford as your main forward linemates. But I guess these things are also ridiculous, as they "mock" Dumoulin. Sorry dude.
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And yet fans from other teams non stop make trade offers for him. Then when Jet fans reject offers saying he's not for sale suddenly he's over rated.
Won't even bother mentioning all the teams have been reportly pushing to get him. I guess all those NHL GM's know less then the hfb keyboard GM's.
Mr Jiggyfly
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Won a SC playing on the Pens top pair and getting the toughest matchups every night. He is the Pens best shut down defenseman.
Not sure what else you would define as a top pairing blueliner.
Nah, it was last summer.
Maatta earned his way next to Letang, he wasn't handed that spot.
He also played primarily with Lovejoy in the playoffs on the second pair.
Trouba is a good player, but anyone saying he is better than Maatta is out to lunch. There is honestly no real argument to be made for Trouba being better either through the eye test or statistically.
GoJetsGo55
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And yet fans from other teams non stop make trade offers for him. Then when Jet fans reject offers saying he's not for sale suddenly he's over rated.
Won't even bother mentioning all the teams have been reportly pushing to get him. I guess all those NHL GM's know less then the hfb keyboard GM's.
Yep. It gets really old really fast.
Hunter368
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Yep. It gets really old really fast.
Meh, Im just used to it. Just funny is all. Classic HFB
Neither team likes it so it must be fair . As a Jets fan there's no way I would do this, maybe if Connor was removed I would.
I don't get how the Pens fans are saying it's bad for the cap when they get a potential first line winger on 3 years of elc and Trouba who shouldn't make that much more then Maata?
. As a Jets fan there's no way I would do this, maybe if Connor was removed I would. I don't get how the Pens fans are saying it's bad for the cap when they get a potential first line winger on 3 years of elc and Trouba who shouldn't make that much more then Maata?
Neither team likes it so it must be fair
I don't get how the Pens fans are saying it's bad for the cap when they get a potential first line winger on 3 years of elc and Trouba who shouldn't make that much more then Maata?
What was Trouba asking for again? Oh that's right... 8x7m. Yeah he's going to make more than Maatta. As for how it will affect PITs cap, every penny he makes that's over Maatta's 4m is less money to sign Dumoulin and Bonino or the other depth players that just allowed Crosby and company to win their 2nd cup. He could sign a contract at 5m and while it may be a great contract down the road, it still means we're losing someone due to the impending cap crunch. This is a team with 4 players with cap hits over 6.8m. That means we need to be very smart with how the rest of our roster is constructed, which means moving very good players on very good long term contracts is a really stupid ****ing thing to do - even if it means getting a slightly better player back.
On a side note I love how Connor is now a "potential 1st line winger". lol. How about we let him play at least 1 pro game before annotating him a 1st line winger?
Romang67
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According to the same source, Ladd wouldn't sign for less than $6.8M, and Byfuglien wanted an eight year contract. I think it's safe to say that the source wasn't great, or negotiation started out with very high demands from the players, and they will meet somewhere in the middle with management.
Also, doesn't "potential 1st line winger" imply that we are willing to let Connor play a pro game before annotating him a 1st line winger? Otherwise the poster would probably have called him something akin to a "surefire 1st line winger".
In your opinion, is Connor not a potential 1st line winger?
What Trouba has reportedly asked for is unconfirmed. And Connor certainly does have the POTENTIAL to be a first line forward (he isn't one yet obviously). To ignore this potential would simply be ignorant.
Now frankly, I don't care if Pittsburgh refuses to do this, because the Jets sure as hell aren't doing this. In case anyone forgot, both teams have to accept it for the trade to go through. Trying to make the other team accept the trade because you wouldn't do it for your team is pointless.
