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Proposal: Trouba to Pitt

MrTylerKennedy said:
If Trouba is such a top-tier defensemen and the Jets feel that same way, he would be locked up by now. Superstars in the NHL rarely go past July 1st as a RFA. They are locked up long-term for fair, though large, AAV. By not locking him up, you’re following the path of a Dougie Hamilton or PK Subban. Go ahead and exercise his RFA status and sign him on the cheap short-term, and then be ready to pay him even more money or trade him.
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It's not unheard of.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/17/sports/la-sp-elliott-kings-ducks-20110918

Also, take a look at Trouba's agent.

http://jetsnation.ca/2015/12/1/why-extension-talks-with-jacob-trouba-may-prove-difficult

"The Denver-based player agent has been a thorn in the side of a variety of general managers over the years; from Jim Benning to Don Maloney, the latter of whom admitted to Friedman that, in the wake of the arduous negotiating process that cost the then-Phoenix Coyotes Kyle Turris, considered never dealing with Overhardt clients again in the same fashion in which some MLB teams avoid drafting or signing players represented by Scott Boras."

A hardball agent is playing hardball.
 
MrTylerKennedy said:
If Trouba is such a top-tier defensemen and the Jets feel that same way, he would be locked up by now. Superstars in the NHL rarely go past July 1st as a RFA. They are locked up long-term for fair, though large, AAV. By not locking him up, you’re following the path of a Dougie Hamilton or PK Subban. Go ahead and exercise his RFA status and sign him on the cheap short-term, and then be ready to pay him even more money or trade him.
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Source your claim
 
MrTylerKennedy said:
If Trouba is such a top-tier defensemen and the Jets feel that same way, he would be locked up by now. Superstars in the NHL rarely go past July 1st as a RFA. They are locked up long-term for fair, though large, AAV. By not locking him up, you’re following the path of a Dougie Hamilton or PK Subban. Go ahead and exercise his RFA status and sign him on the cheap short-term, and then be ready to pay him even more money or trade him.
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You sign your RFAs before July 1st if you're capped out and vulnerable to offer sheets. It costs you a little bit of leverage doing it that way, too.

Scheifele literally said on the radio last season that he wanted to spend his entire career with the Jets and pushed for his contract to be 8 years--he signed after July 1st, so maybe it means less than you think.
 
JetsHomer said:
Source your claim
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Here are some of the game's top-tier defensemen who did not go past July 1 off of ELC:

Erik Karlsson. Drew Doughty. Kris Letang. Ryan Suter. Duncan Keith. OEL. Seth Jones.

I can dig deeper to find more if you would like. Becoming stingy after July 1st opens the door for mistakes to be made that result in losing the player. Of course, there can be a long-term solution made, but it's still a dangerous game to play if you are sold on Trouba being a #1.
 
Leave trouba and maata where they are now. I'd like to see Pouliot on the
Jets for someone like Petan, but I think teams would be hesitant to trade for the young Pitts D at this point as he probably hasn't shown enough to be protected in expansion unless you are pretty weak defensively.
However he might take a big step this year, in another organization. I just don't think it's the Jets or Penguins tbh.
 
Jets had to lock in Schiefele first.

Then all the small pieces (Lowry , ARMIA) plus Perrault.

Now it's basically Trouba now and couple Ahl guys to sign.
Now both Troubas agent and Chevy have a clearer picture of how much money they can work with.

I still say Trouba signs 5-5.25 , most likely it's the year that both sides can't agree on. As people have mentioned, market has been set for his comparables.

As for the op proposal.

It will be already very very hard to fry out Trouba from the Jets without giving a signifanct value in return. But to add Kyle Connor, that made it100% no go.
 
Isn't Trouba an RD? If the Pens make this trade, that makes Dumoulin the #2D and leaves Trouba on the 2nd Pairing, because he can't take Letangs spot. Daley would also have to play on the wrong side to make it work.

Letang
Trouba
Daley
Schultz


The Pens run into the same problem of having all their D depth being RD.
 
MrTylerKennedy said:
Here are some of the game's top-tier defensemen who did not go past July 1 off of ELC:

Erik Karlsson. Drew Doughty. Kris Letang. Ryan Suter. Duncan Keith. OEL. Seth Jones.

I can dig deeper to find more if you would like. Becoming stingy after July 1st opens the door for mistakes to be made that result in losing the player. Of course, there can be a long-term solution made, but it's still a dangerous game to play if you are sold on Trouba being a #1.
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7 names doesn't prove much when their are always tons of RFAs that take awhile to sign: Trouba, Ristalainen, Gaudreau, Monahan, Kucherov, Lindholm, Turris, Kuznetsov ect ect. I could easily go on
 
Kyle Connor is no longer some sleeper prospect, and to Jets fans his value is sky high.

That being said, now is a great time for other teams to pick up quality defenseman Brian Strait :)
 
Pouliot is garbage. A 2nd at this point for us is meh.
Maatta is nice, but a lateral move at best. We like troubas health, physicality, and upside more than maattaaaaa's anyways. So it's an easy easy no.
 
At this point, I'd rather just keep the band together.


Unless you want to trade him for Kunitz? :laugh:
 
DoctrSteveBrule said:
ok then sign trouba. Clearly something is going on with that so dont act like everything is all peaches and cream when if it was a given that he is the future in WPG he'd have a contract right now
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Oh boy, here we go again... How many times does it have to be said? Just because Trouba hasn't signed yet and it's mid to late July, doesn't mean that "clearly something is going on". I guess that means Hamphus Lindholm, Johnny Gaudreau, Sean Monahan, Tyson Barrie, Matt Dumba, Nikita Kucherov and any other RFAs must be holding out.

Thinking that Trouba is holding out or something similar is happening because he has yet to sign is quite asinine. Do you have any source for this? Because until then I'm going to consider this hogwash.

Trouba will be a Jet.
 
JetsHomer said:
7 names doesn't prove much when their are always tons of RFAs that take awhile to sign: Trouba, Ristalainen, Gaudreau, Monahan, Kucherov, Lindholm, Turris, Kuznetsov ect ect. I could easily go on
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You listed two other defensemen here, Ristolainen who is not even close to being top-tier and Lindholm, who can also very well be gone. If we're including forwards, add about every elite forward: Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin. It's not a contest to come up with more names. It's about the Jets either taking an unnecessary risk or them not being as high on Trouba as this highly intelligent board.
 
MrTylerKennedy said:
You listed two other defensemen here, Ristolainen who is not even close to being top-tier and Lindholm, who can also very well be gone. If we're including forwards, add about every elite forward: Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin. It's not a contest to come up with more names. It's about the Jets either taking an unnecessary risk or them not being as high on Trouba as this highly intelligent board.
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What risk are the Jets taking?
 
When Chevy resigned Bogosian he did it in Sept and late July. He don't hurry, and why would he? Offer sheets are uncommon and the threat of them are only concerning to teams up against the cap. You can call it unnecessary risk, but a caving, scared, itchy trigger fingered GM is the last thing we need with some quality youth coming down the pipe. Getting these guys signed to the right term and money is what is gonna give this franchise a very real shot at huge success in the near future.

The OP is way off regardless.
 
MrTylerKennedy said:
You listed two other defensemen here, Ristolainen who is not even close to being top-tier and Lindholm, who can also very well be gone. If we're including forwards, add about every elite forward: Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin. It's not a contest to come up with more names. It's about the Jets either taking an unnecessary risk or them not being as high on Trouba as this highly intelligent board.
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Risk? You realize Trouba's only option other than not signing is to hold out? Not a great option for him as we still retain his rights. He wants to be here, the Jets want him here. The pencil pushers are just grinding out the negotiation.
 
MrTylerKennedy said:
Here are some of the game's top-tier defensemen who did not go past July 1 off of ELC:

Erik Karlsson. Drew Doughty. Kris Letang. Ryan Suter. Duncan Keith. OEL. Seth Jones.

I can dig deeper to find more if you would like. Becoming stingy after July 1st opens the door for mistakes to be made that result in losing the player. Of course, there can be a long-term solution made, but it's still a dangerous game to play if you are sold on Trouba being a #1.
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And I would imagine that there are just as many that don't sign before July 1st.
 
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