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Proposal: Trouba to Montreal for Sergachev+1st

CharlesHabsFan

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Gump Hasek said:
He is a prospect. The Jets aren't rebuilding. Here is a very good take of how you should view them now, take a moment and read it:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jets-window-opportunity-opening-sooner-later/

The problem with the thread as near as I can tell is that Montreal fans somehow appear to be convinced that a team that is stacked with top-shelf prospects, one that is graduating some, and that has a ton more in the tank, would somehow be interested in trading a key piece of their current NHL D-core in exchange for picks and prospects. Your picks and prospects are pretty much meaningless to a team that is already loaded for the future, FYI.

The Jets pass and have a good laugh after hanging up the phone.
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It's pretty much useless to be talking value with you. You obviously only look at your Jets and nothing else. You keep pointing at others that Trouba is this amazing defenseman that is a so much important part of your organization and all, but what do you even think about Sergachev ?

Good for the Jets if they are "stacked with top-shelf prospects". Not like the Canadiens have only garbage either. But see, you point out that value is crap because Jets don't need what is offered. But if you view it from Montréal, we don't either. Organizational need, we don't give a **** about Trouba because we are stacked on right handed defensemen, especially prospects. RHD is all we have in the future. So we need Sergachev MUCH more than Trouba.

Does that mean that Trouba is garbage because of that ? Obviously not. He's got value. And the OP is offering value for value.

But obviously, HF logic, if team needs aren't met, value is complete garbage.

Trade won't happen because of needs, yes, but not because of value.
 
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CharlesHabsFan said:
It's pretty much useless to be talking value with you. You obviously only look at your Jets and nothing else. You keep pointing at others that Trouba is this amazing defenseman that is a so much important part of your organization and all, but what do you even think about Sergachev ?

Good for the Jets if they are "stacked with top-shelf prospects". Not like the Canadiens have only garbage either. But see, you point out that value is crap because Jets don't need what is offered. But if you view it from Montréal, we don't either. Organizational need, we don't give a **** about Trouba because we are stacked on right handed defensemen, especially prospects. RHD is all we have in the future. So we need Sergachev MUCH more than Trouba.

Does that mean that Trouba is garbage because of that ? Obviously not. He's got value. And the OP is offering value for value.

But obviously, HF logic, if team needs aren't met, value is complete garbage.

Trade won't happen because of needs, yes, but not because of value.
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You might think it a fair value.

I doubt an NHL team that is already loaded to the hilt with futures though would view an offer that consists solely of futures in exchange for a young and key part of their D-core to be of fair value, and that is kind of the point that appears to be escaping your grasp.
 
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poetryinmotion said:
That's very cute, nice fluff piece. If Sportsnet mentioned it, it must be true. Montreal is a contender, WPG has yet to be a playoff regular.
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It is an accurate read on their current roster situation. The futures offered in this thread would likely not at all be of interest to a team that doesn't need them.

Ooooh, a draft pick and a prospect, exciting! [/sarcasm]
 
JetsHomer

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I'm willing to bet Sergachev is no where near as good as Trouba in any of his draft +1, 2, 3 or 4 years.

Do you guys really expect Sergachev to dominate junior (and the World Juniors) next year before stepping in as a proven top 4 defender at age 19?

Seems pretty unlikely and uncommon
 
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JetsHomer said:
I'm willing to bet Sergachev is no where near as good as Trouba in any of his draft +1, 2, 3 or 4 years.

Do you guys really expect Sergachev to dominate junior (and the World Juniors) next year before stepping in as a proven top 4 defender at age 19?

Seems pretty unlikely and uncommon
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In terms of the WJC and making the Habs next year, we'll just have to wait and see.

Sergachev was named the OHL's best defenseman, so he's already dominating juniors.

I also don't think it is that unlikely or uncommon for a top 10 pick to dominate juniors the following season and make the NHL as a 19 year old.
 
Hunter368

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OP makes no sense for either team.


Habs don't need rhd, so wouldn't do it.

No way Jets trade a 22yr 2/3 Dman for a mid range pick and unproven prospect.

Both teams pass, badly planned offer
 
Kobe Armstrong

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JetsHomer said:
I'm willing to bet Sergachev is no where near as good as Trouba in any of his draft +1, 2, 3 or 4 years.

Do you guys really expect Sergachev to dominate junior (and the World Juniors) next year before stepping in as a proven top 4 defender at age 19?

Seems pretty unlikely and uncommon
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Quite simply, yes. He was already the most dominant D in the OHL, and I'd expect a similar performance against U20 players.

Trouba's draft season: 14 points in 32 games in the USDP
Sergachev's draft season: 57 points in 67 games in the OHL

The other players to win the OHL's most valuable defenseman in their draft years are Aaron Ekblad, Ryan Ellis, Bryan Berard, Chris Pronger, and Drew Doughty. To think that Sergachev won this trophy in his first year on NA ice is incredible, especially considering the competition in the OHL. He's also the youngest of them, he didn't turn 18 until after he was drafted.
 
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JetsHomer said:
I'm willing to bet Sergachev is no where near as good as Trouba in any of his draft +1, 2, 3 or 4 years.

Do you guys really expect Sergachev to dominate junior (and the World Juniors) next year before stepping in as a proven top 4 defender at age 19?

Seems pretty unlikely and uncommon
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Expect him.Hell he already has dominated juniors in his 1st season.:laugh:
 
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Gump Hasek said:
The value isn't that far off? LOL

Rest assured, if the Jets needed to trade Trouba (a sizable, physical, RHD vet with 3 years of NHL experience and tons of remaining upside), it won't be in exchange for a prospect.
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At 7-8 mil a season it Seems you might have to keep him at that price.
 

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Kobe Armstrong said:
Quite simply, yes. He was already the most dominant D in the OHL, and I'd expect a similar performance against U20 players.

Trouba's draft season: 14 points in 32 games in the USDP
Sergachev's draft season: 57 points in 67 games in the OHL

The other players to win the OHL's most valuable defenseman in their draft years are Aaron Ekblad, Ryan Ellis, Bryan Berard, Chris Pronger, and Drew Doughty. To think that Sergachev won this trophy in his first year on NA ice is incredible, especially considering the competition in the OHL. He's also the youngest of them, he didn't turn 18 until after he was drafted.
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Absolutely flawless post. Sergachev is and will be untouchable. As noted he won the Max Kaminsky, AS A 17 YEAR OLD, never been done before.
Add to that he learned English as a second language within the course of an OHL season and now speaks better than a majority of NHL Russian veterans. He is smart, physically dominant, NHL skill-ready. He is already 20lbs bigger than Trouba
I give him 50/50 to stick with the Habs this year and someone proposes a trade of him AND a 1st rounder? Never.
Sergachev will be a better NHL dman within 3 years than Trouba.
An acquaintance who is an OHL scout for a recent Stanley Cup winning team told me that Sergachev will win the Norris by the time he is 26-27.
 
Gump Hasek

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jacks said:
Could we please get that expended to let us know on what information he's commenting on.
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Do you not understand how to use a search engine?

The information is the incorrect salary ask that you were parroting earlier on this page, FYI.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/12/14/jacob-troubas-agent-denies-report-about-7m-asking-price/

His asking price has never been reported; this is because Overhardt and Cheveldayoff reportedly have an agreement not to negotiate via the press.
 
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