Proposal: Trouba to Montreal for Sergachev+1st

[Randal61]

SportsNet was the first one to report Trouba seeking 8 years $56 million, I know they said that Buff wanted big money and settled for much less. Plus Kurt Overhardt denied it like he would. Few others out there as well pretty much saying the exact same thing. Really i could care less Trouba isn't worth that kind of money any ways. He's worth no more then 6 years $30 million that's pretty much the market that's set for him.[/QUOTE

Pointless comment then.

 

[JetsHomer]

SportsNet was the first one to report Trouba seeking 8 years $56 million, I know they said that Buff wanted big money and settled for much less. Plus Kurt Overhardt denied it like he would. Few others out there as well pretty much saying the exact same thing. Really i could care less Trouba isn't worth that kind of money any ways. He's worth no more then 6 years $30 million that's pretty much the market that's set for him.

No, this isn't true. The original report came from a beat reporter from the Winnipeg Free Press. Nice try to make it sound more legitimate than it actually was though.

 

[Hunter368]

SportsNet was the first one to report Trouba seeking 8 years $56 million, I know they said that Buff wanted big money and settled for much less. Plus Kurt Overhardt denied it like he would. Few others out there as well pretty much saying the exact same thing. Really i could care less Trouba isn't worth that kind of money any ways. He's worth no more then 6 years $30 million that's pretty much the market that's set for him.

FYI

SportsNet wasn't the first one, local rag reporter created the story and the rest of the media followed his report. Reporter quickly clarified his comments after the fact and Overhardt immediately shot down the claim as completely false. Let's stick the facts.

I agree Trouba isn't worth more then about 6 million long term (gets grey depending on exact term).

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

I like Trouba and dislike mtl... but still, that's a really steep price for the habs. Sergachev is a real gem and probably will become mtl next markov

 

[CorgisPer60]

Only on HF is a proven 22 year old NHL defender with #1D upside worth less than a freshly drafted prospect and a 1st round pick.

 

[Legend123]

Only on HF is a proven 22 year old NHL defender with #1D upside worth less than a freshly drafted prospect and a 1st round pick.

Well in that sense every proven NHL player is worth more than a top 10 pick and no trouba doesnt have #1 upside

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Piggybacking this idea:

Sergachev
Beaulieu
Mitchell

For

Fowler
Larsson
Pettersson

 

[Legend123]

Piggybacking this idea:

Sergachev
Beaulieu
Mitchell

For

Fowler
Larsson
Pettersson

A big and ez no from habs pov

 

[Vatican Roulette]

A big and ez no from habs pov

Why's that?

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Only on HF is a proven 22 year old NHL defender with #1D upside worth less than a freshly drafted prospect and a 1st round pick.

Mitigating circumstances, no contract- no solid details on the ask, if the 1st is unprotected it could end up being a top 10. Trouba with a contract, or some sort of garuntee that there will be an agreement- deal is in mtl favor. Plus, Trouba isn't there yet. He could end up being dominant and a bonified #1 or he could go the route of Erik Johnson or tyler myers and become a solid guy but by no means a #1. Plus there is Montreals cap, which would mean they have to do more moves to accommodate a new contract, whereas Sergachev is under control with an elc for 3 years. It's not so cut and dry, just food for thought.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

No, this isn't true. The original report came from a beat reporter from the Winnipeg Free Press. Nice try to make it sound more legitimate than it actually was though.

Who cares SportNet still mentioned it, Maybe a local beat writer came up with it also. And like i said who really cares what happens. Trouba most likely takes a bridge deal stays as long until his 4 years is up and then goes elsewhere more then likely.

 

[kingdok]

Piggybacking this idea:

Sergachev
Beaulieu
Mitchell

For

Fowler
Larsson
Pettersson

Beaulieu and Mitchell for Fowler I'd probably say yes, but Habs aren't trading their shiny new toy.

 

[CharlesHabsFan]

All in all, I think this thread is overblown. The value isn't that far off if you consider that Habs would likely make the playoffs, making the pick at least a 15th overall to 30th overall.

It's definitely not a quality for quantity, you get a premium defenseman prospect in Sergachev and an insurance with most likely a late 1st for a developping young established defenseman. People shouldn't be at each other's throats about it, but anyways.

I'm sure Jets fans would rather try signing Trouba and keep developping him. I like his game even though I haven't watched him all that much so I can't evaluate as good as you all do.

Still, not taking anything from Trouba at all, I would go with Sergachev as a Habs fan. Not claiming that he's going to be better or less paid or anything like that. But Sergachev is a LD and Trouba is a RD. At the moment, we have Weber, Petry and Pateryn on the right side. Taken Petry could be bumped down on the third pairing, or Trouba for that matter, I still think we are solid enough on the right side. In comparison, we are looking at Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu on the left side (unless Sergachev somehow impresses beyond expectations at training camp). Our left is rather weak at the moment. Markov is slowing down, Emelin is okay and Beaulieu has great upside, but hasn't yet been showing he's top pairing ready.

And you can add to that as well the cap reasons, we definitely don't have the space for Trouba unless a cap dump was added to the deal. And I doubt the Jets want anything to do with the likes of Desharnais, Emelin, Matteau or Flynn...

 

[Legend123]

All in all, I think this thread is overblown. The value isn't that far off if you consider that Habs would likely make the playoffs, making the pick at least a 15th overall to 30th overall.

It's definitely not a quality for quantity, you get a premium defenseman prospect in Sergachev and an insurance with most likely a late 1st for a developping young established defenseman. People shouldn't be at each other's throats about it, but anyways.

I'm sure Jets fans would rather try signing Trouba and keep developping him. I like his game even though I haven't watched him all that much so I can't evaluate as good as you all do.

Still, not taking anything from Trouba at all, I would go with Sergachev as a Habs fan. Not claiming that he's going to be better or less paid or anything like that. But Sergachev is a LD and Trouba is a RD. At the moment, we have Weber, Petry and Pateryn on the right side. Taken Petry could be bumped down on the third pairing, or Trouba for that matter, I still think we are solid enough on the right side. In comparison, we are looking at Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu on the left side (unless Sergachev somehow impresses beyond expectations at training camp). Our left is rather weak at the moment. Markov is slowing down, Emelin is okay and Beaulieu has great upside, but hasn't yet been showing he's top pairing ready.

And you can add to that as well the cap reasons, we definitely don't have the space for Trouba unless a cap dump was added to the deal. And I doubt the Jets want anything to do with the likes of Desharnais, Emelin, Matteau or Flynn...

maybe bergevin can convince the jets to trade trouba for desharnais and emelin. Im sure he can start with some personality issues^^

 

[Poochie_D]

Only on HF is a proven 22 year old NHL defender with #1D upside worth less than a freshly drafted prospect and a 1st round pick.

Usually you would be right but not just before an expansion draft.

 

[jacks*]

Not interested in trading for a D that's looking for 7-8 mil a season.

 

[ffh]

Not interested in trading for a D that's looking for 7-8 mil a season.

Go have some poutine.

 

[JetsHomer]

Who cares SportNet still mentioned it, Maybe a local beat writer came up with it also. And like i said who really cares what happens. Trouba most likely takes a bridge deal stays as long until his 4 years is up and then goes elsewhere more then likely.

That seems like the least likely outcome actually.

 

[HugoLalumiere]

If Trouba was a little bit more offensive, i would do it 1 on 1 becauseHabs are in a win now mode IMO.

But doesn't work out salary wise.

Also the fact that Sergachev is LHD and can effectively play on the ride side makes him untouchable for Habs has top pair D will be old when he cracks the lineup.

Mid term, he can replace Markov on the left side and long term, he could replace Weber on the right side, which gives the Habs much more possibilities.

Does the very questionable off-season we just had mean that we are on the cusp of going all the way? Really?? We are filling our roster with 8 or 9 bottom-liners, a jack-in-a-box forward who spent the last few years in the KHL because he couldn't really cut it over here and Andrew Shaw to whom we frickin' gave a six-year (!) contract and suddenly we're peachy?

But I digress. We still have a way to go and that trade offer would be going in the opposite direction. Right now, we need more quality forwards than an yet-unsigned Trouba.

 

[Gump Hasek]

All in all, I think this thread is overblown. The value isn't that far off if you consider that Habs would likely make the playoffs, making the pick at least a 15th overall to 30th overall.

The value isn't that far off? LOL

Rest assured, if the Jets needed to trade Trouba (a sizable, physical, RHD vet with 3 years of NHL experience and tons of remaining upside), it won't be in exchange for a prospect.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Only on HF is a proven 22 year old NHL defender with #1D upside worth less than a freshly drafted prospect and a 1st round pick.

Proven at what, being a #4-5 defender? Yeah he's shown us that he can do that really well. At this point, Sergachyev is as likely (if not moreso) to become a #1 defender than Trouba. He was the youngest player to win the OHL's best defenseman award in history (outperformed Juolevi and Chychrun), and did it in his first season in North America. Not to mention he's a physical beast, he's 6"3 220 and skates like the wind.

And I hope you see the flaws in your logic, that can be applied to basically any young NHL player. Is every young NHL player worth a top-10 pick and a 1st rounder? No.

Trouba is basically the evolutionary stage between Bogosian and Hamilton, an above-average player by all accounts. But the kind of talent that leaves you expecting much more from him on a season to season basis.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Proven at what, being a #4-5 defender? Yeah he's shown us that he can do that really well. At this point, Sergachyev is as likely (if not moreso) to become a #1 defender than Trouba. He was the youngest player to win the OHL's best defenseman award in history (outperformed Juolevi and Chychrun), and did it in his first season in North America. Not to mention he's a physical beast, he's 6"3 220 and skates like the wind.

And I hope you see the flaws in your logic, that can be applied to basically any young NHL player. Is every young NHL player worth a top-10 pick and a 1st rounder? No.

Trouba is basically the evolutionary stage between Bogosian and Hamilton, an above-average player by all accounts. But the kind of talent that leaves you expecting much more from him on a season to season basis.

Clearly you haven't watched him very much.

He ranks second on the Jets at TOI/EV and third in TOI/60; how are those the numbers of a "#4-5 defender"? Hint: they aren't.

The only time he "leaves you expecting much more from him on a season to season basis" as you claimed is when he is paired with the dead-weight known as Mark Stuart. When he plays with Buff, he is outstanding. I seriously doubt that you've ever even seen a Jets game, frankly.

 

[CharlesHabsFan]

The value isn't that far off? LOL

Rest assured, if the Jets needed to trade Trouba (a sizable, physical, RHD vet with 3 years of NHL experience and tons of remaining upside), it won't be in exchange for a prospect.

And what do you think Sergachev is ? Sizable, puck moving with immense potential and lots of remaining upside, minus the 3 NHL experience years. Which is what the 1st round pick is for, insurance.

See, that's what the problem is with this thread. Either people are completely overrating Trouba, while others are underrating him. Or people think Sergachev is some random toss prospect. Same goes for the comment about "HF logic". 22 years old to me is still rookie material, some players still aren't even in the NHL at that age. And some organizations do rush prospects to their roster when they shouldn't have been ready. Oilers are a pretty good example of that... Some surely are overrating prospects over proven players, but then again, go ask any fan about McDavid. Some talent is just automatically reckognized. Sergachev could be a bust, but every prospect analysis talk about him like the best possible defenseman of his draft year.

The thing is, Trouba, even with 3 years in the NHL, is still developping. He's not in his prime years and 3 years is good experience to prove yourself, but there are late bloomers, Galchenyuk could be one, and there are also quick busts, like Yakupov let's say. At this point, Trouba is in contract negotiation and a determining point of his career. Far to say that he's a bust, but he's definitely got things left to prove or his contract would have been renewed pretty quickly, don't you think ?

Now maybe you think Trouba wouldn't be traded for futures if he were traded and that's a reasonable thinking. But the thing is, that's not the point. The point of what I said is that the OP is not that far off in value. Value and team plan are totally different things. Value in the OP is fine. Team plans of the Jets or the Canadiens aren't.

Since that seems to be HF language : Only on HF that if team plans or needs aren't met, value is crap.

 

[ffh]

Clearly you haven't watched him very much.

He ranks second on the Jets at TOI/EV and third in TOI/60; how are those the numbers of a "#4-5 defender"? Hint: they aren't.

The only time he "leaves you expecting much more from him on a season to season basis" as you claimed is when he is paired with the dead-weight known as Mark Stuart. When he plays with Buff, he is outstanding. I seriously doubt that you've ever even seen a Jets game, frankly.

I'm sure he and a lot of habs fans will be watching more jets games this year. especially when they play the predators.

 

[Gump Hasek]

And what do you think Sergachev is ? Sizable, puck moving with immense potential and lots of remaining upside, minus the 3 NHL experience years. Which is what the 1st round pick is for, insurance.

He is a prospect. The Jets aren't rebuilding. Here is a very good take of how you should view them now, take a moment and read it:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jets-window-opportunity-opening-sooner-later/

See, that's what the problem is with this thread.

The problem with the thread as near as I can tell is that Montreal fans somehow appear to be convinced that a team that is stacked with top-shelf prospects, one that is graduating some, and that has a ton more in the tank, would somehow be interested in trading a key piece of their current NHL D-core in exchange for picks and prospects. Your picks and prospects are pretty much meaningless to a team that is already loaded for the future, FYI.

The Jets pass and have a good laugh after hanging up the phone.