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Proposal: Trouba to Montreal for Sergachev+1st

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Gardiner and Valiev/Dermott would be more than fair for Trouba from the Leafs. Gardiner would fit the Jets perfectly and would cost close to 2M less than Trouba if the rumored demands are true. Giving up a 1st will not happen with this management group unless we're talking young elite 1st pairing RHD. Trouba is not that yet.

Besides, makes no sense for Winnipeg to trade him. He played LD last year and was decent from what I'm reading. Cheveldayoff is no push over when it comes to moving his assets. Not to mention he is super cautious. If he can't get what he values Trouba at, you can bet he'll make him sit until he sign or gets his value back. The Jets hold all the leverage here. At his age, he'll only hurt himself by not being at training camp.
 
Trouba has had very unusual usage, so it's difficult to compare him to other players in order to determine his value. Other than a handful of 3rd periods when he was paired on his off-side with Buff, he spent most of his time on the ice with Stuart and 4th liner guys like Burmistrov, Thorburn, Halischuk, Lowry, Copp etc.

Until he gets a chance to play more time with good players on the ice, I'm hesitant to even try to put a label on him or compare him to other players. Even though he has 2 seasons under his belt, the Jets still haven't really given him the opportunity to show what he can do. Trading him now is almost impossible because he still hasn't really been tested.

tl;dr Trouba has been buried on the depth chart because the Jets were strong on RD and nobody (even jets fans) know how his true capability/value. This makes any trade involving him a stupid idea for everyone involved.
 
No chance in hell I would do this as a habs fan.

We are pretty good at RD with Weber/Petry/Sergachev* in the future.

Why would we trade our best d prospect and a 1st for a position we are well stocked at?
I like Trouba, but I don't think this makes any sense for MTL, and the value is way off.

If we could package Beaulieu +1st for an upgrade on LD, I would be interested.
 
poetryinmotion said:
Value wise this trade is off. Sergachev will be better than Trouba in the long run, I see Trouba as a poor man's Dion Phaneuf, he plateau'd very soon - I don't see him getting much better than this but that doesn't mean he won't be a very good top pairing defenseman (not a #1), but Sergachev has much more potential.
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there is no way to know this. Young Dmen are so impossible to predict, that's why Karlsoon didn't go until the middle of the first round, and why guys like Weber, PK, and Keith all went in the 2nd round. Sergachev has a lot going for him, he's got a ton of promise, but he could end up being anything from a Norris winner to a career AHLer. He has a long way to go and a lot to prove that he will be better than Trouba.
 
poetryinmotion said:
Value wise this trade is off. Sergachev will be better than Trouba in the long run, I see Trouba as a poor man's Dion Phaneuf, he plateau'd very soon - I don't see him getting much better than this but that doesn't mean he won't be a very good top pairing defenseman (not a #1), but Sergachev has much more potential.
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Out of interest, how many full games of Sergachev have you seen him play?

I ask because I've seen quite a few full games of Ivan Provorov, and I still would not be able to say for sure he would be better than a dman like Trouba who has a 200+ game NHL record. The NHL is a lot different to Junior.
 
I personally think he finds a way to get his agent's head out of his own ass and signs for 4x5:yo:
 
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Number1RedWingsFan52 said:
Unless that cap dump is at least $5 million, It's not going to work cap wise for us.
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They could make other moves to create cap space if need be. Doesn't all have to fit in one trade.

Number1RedWingsFan52 said:
Yup any deal involving Detroit for Trouba, Would've to include the 3rd team that would have the LHD that Cheveldayoff would want. And we just don't have it.
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But what if nobody is offering the LHD he wants and Trouba still won't sign. Would the Jets rather just let him hold out and rot instead of making a deal, even if it doesn't help them much this year. They aren't getting risto or lindholm, etc for him.
 
Call me crazy, but I even prefer to bet on Sergachev than taking Trouba straight up.

I dont see the need to waste a 1st there
 
Legend123 said:
Ur normal then
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I bet Sergachev's draft +1 year is no where close to Trouba's, who dominated the World Junior and College level and I highly doubt Sergachev is a top 4 NHL defenseman in his draft +2 year...maybe I'm not the normal one?
 
Cleatus said:
As a fan of both the Leafs and Jets, if the Jets feel they really have to trade Trouba (I'd rather they trade Myers), I think an offer based around Gardiner and a conditional 2017 1st round pick would be beneficial to both sides.

Condition on that pick being if the Leafs end up drafting in the top 5, Winnipeg gets their 2018 1st instead (10-15 overall range by my estimations).
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Sounds to me you are more a Jets fans than as I am not even sure I would trade Gardiner straight up for Myers. Let alone add a 1st round pick.

For Trouba I would certainly add to Gardiner but the real problem with that is then we would be looking for a Gardiner replacement. In fact the only way the Leafs are trading for a defenseman is with either forwards or prospect defenseman and it sounds like Jets wouldn't need that.
 
Maukkis said:
Don't bother offering scraps. Offer a defenseman, comparable to Trouba age wise (max 23) and talent wise (borderline top pairing guy with upside to be even better).
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the only way this could work for habs would be petry and a second. we cant be paying three right handed defenceman 20 million.
 
LOLLLL Jets fans are so funny. They think Sergachev and a first are scraps, if anything Trouba scrap. He will be at best a top four defencemen while Sergachev has a WAYY higher ceiling. If Winnipeg got this offer, they would immediately accept. They probably think Laine is worth more than Mcdavid smh...
 
Benstheman said:
If he indeed can play both sides, I would offer Beaulieu, 2017 1st and a cap dump.
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Still a no. Where does Trouba get this value from? He's a career top 4 D that can be slotted on the first pairing for emergency. His value = Beaulieu or slightly more, that's it.
 
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