Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[Flair Hay]

More media window dressing by Chevy/Jets. I would say the same thing to get max value by December 1st in a trade.

I don't think he's getting traded but that's just me.

 

[Rangers ftw]

For the people saying 'The Jets need to trade Trouba now before his value decreases' my question is how does that make sense?

What we know is that Trouba is using his unsigned status as leverage over teams, essentially saying he will only play where he wants. This is a very simple concept of supply and demand, if there are only a few options that Trouba will accept a trade too, these teams will not offer full value as they are only competing against themselves.

Would it not make far more sense for the Jets to doubledown and force Trouba to sign a contract with them? As RFA under contract he can not receive no move protection and the Jets would be free to move him to any team in the league, including Canadian teams or teams that Trouba would not negotiate a contract with.

People can say 'the Jets need to trade him right now or his value will continue to drop' but this is blatantly untrue. His value is already dropped by his trade demand and refusal to talk contract except to teams he deems appropriate. The proper way to return him to a full value asset is to hold your ground and force him to sign a contract with your team, thus widely increasing the number of teams that would be interested in his services.

I guess that doesn't jive with all the other posters here that want to get him for a song though, but I'm betting the Jets will do the smart thing for them and not the smart thing for other teams around the league

100% agree, one of the best posts in the thread and probably how it will go down. Jets will force him to sign, now or later, and then trade him wherever THEY want and getting full value back. I wonder what the fan reactions would be in his first home game

 

[aj8000]

I wish I could....we(most ranger fans,not me) are so thirsty for this player who is so over valued by their own fan base.

Really? The Jets are not trying to trade him which is why he is "overvalued" if another team wants him they will have to pay equal value or more. Why is that so hard for people to understand. The jets have no intention of trading him under these circumstances. he has two choices, sign with the jets and play hockey and then wait to see if the jets can swing a trade that benefits the jets or sit out. It is his choice. The jets are unlikely to give a RFA the same rights as a UFA. So yes we will keep overvaluing Trouba just like the other teams keep undervaluing him.

 

[JetsHomer]

That is all we can do right now is assume. It can be a logical assumption that because the NYR have made a substantial offer for Shatt, that they have also made a substantial offer for other RD's in the league, not just Trouba.

The best part of this is people actually taking that hfboards poster 100% seriously.

The 'rumour' was something along the lines of 'blank is super interested in blank, made a huge offer'
'oh thx for the headsup can I post about this?'
'nah it's a secret man they'll hear about it tomorrow'

*next day comes and literally nothing happens.



Don't believe everything you read on the internet

 

[aj8000]

100% agree, one of the best posts in the thread and probably how it will go down. Jets will force him to sign, now or later, and then trade him wherever THEY want and getting full value back. I wonder what the fan reactions would be in his first home game

Depends on if he scores the winning goal or is the cause of the losing goal I guess

 

[Snowman]

There's just so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll just leave it at this. The Winnipeg Jets as a franchise and an organization should strive to do the best they can with and for their players. And at times that means accommodating them when unfortunate circumstances like this come up. You don't have to like it, but if it's true that JT's father can't enter Canada, then I don't blame JT for not wanting to sign an extension to stay there - especially after it took how many years to trade Kane. I mean do you really think it's in their best interests to hang onto an unhappy Trouba? We already saw how that played out with Kane. Winnipeg should have traded him several years before, but they didn't and we all saw how that played out.

Finally you understand. The Jets will hang on to Trouba just like Kane until they are offered a huge return, just like the Kane trade.

 

[JetsHomer]

There's just so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll just leave it at this. The Winnipeg Jets as a franchise and an organization should strive to do the best they can with and for their players. And at times that means accommodating them when unfortunate circumstances like this come up. You don't have to like it, but if it's true that JT's father can't enter Canada, then I don't blame JT for not wanting to sign an extension to stay there - especially after it took how many years to trade Kane. I mean do you really think it's in their best interests to hang onto an unhappy Trouba? We already saw how that played out with Kane. Winnipeg should have traded him several years before, but they didn't and we all saw how that played out.

The Jets got awesome value in the trade and absolutely took Buffalo to the woodshed?

I would never give up Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and Roslovic to get Kane back.

 

[gretskidoo]

100% agree, one of the best posts in the thread and probably how it will go down. Jets will force him to sign, now or later, and then trade him wherever THEY want and getting full value back. I wonder what the fan reactions would be in his first home game

When do you ever get full value for a player the asked for a trade and then sits out and sulks? Chevy isn't the only one that has to agree to a trade, you know.

 

[CaptainChef]

I wish I could....we(most ranger fans,not me) are so thirsty for this player who is so over valued by their own fan base.

The reason why you guys want JT is because he is such a quality player at a position that is in extremely high demand. If you think we're about to give that quality up for the first half-decent proposal, guess again.

Miller & Skjei for Trouba is just that -- half decent (no better, no worse). I've seen at least half a dozen proposals on here that I would take before this one.

 

[Stej]

No, but management also shouldn't be surprised when players are unhappy with how they are treated either.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea how well the Jets management have treated Trouba while he has been in Winnipeg. They fricking hired his brother so he could have family around, among other things. That's all I'll say on that matter.

 

[Baddkarma]

Thanks for the advice. If he hadn't publicly requested a trade and refused to sign the team could have worked toward a trade that would garner a fair return. Since he chose to negatively impact his trade value, they should refuse his request, make a one-time 6-year offer and let him rot for the season if he doesn't accept it. Then make the same contract offer at the end of the season, and eventually trade him on the team's timeline, not his.

Chevy is a pretty crafty GM regardless and is probably working on something that will come out of left field and to a team that no one expects. Hopefully he eventually trades Trouba to one of Boston or NYR's divisional rivals, so the fans of those teams can still watch him play often against their own team - since they appear so concerned about Trouba's current situation.

Pretty sure the WPG GM is smarter than this.

While WPG GM has been put in a tough spot, there is no doubt that he is expected to make lemonade out of lemons here. As most of know, the return will most likely not be what the Jets fans expect but it should still be a nice haul. Deal should go down close to the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday.

Trouba fatigue is for sure setting in all around the world by now.

 

[BrianLeetch2]

Really? The Jets are not trying to trade him which is why he is "overvalued" if another team wants him they will have to pay equal value or more. Why is that so hard for people to understand. The jets have no intention of trading him under these circumstances. he has two choices, sign with the jets and play hockey and then wait to see if the jets can swing a trade that benefits the jets or sit out. It is his choice. The jets are unlikely to give a RFA the same rights as a UFA. So yes we will keep overvaluing Trouba just like the other teams keep undervaluing him.

I understand the situation....So yes us ranger fans will continue to overvalue our guys while other teams undervalue ours

 

[nyr__1994]

The prices will be different given Shattenkirk's pending UFA status. NYR aren't going to give up as much as they would for a long-term asset, and St. Louis would accept a little less as they know they only have one more year of control.

I think I'm in the minority of Jets fans when I say I'm happy with Skjei and Miller - I'd only take Hayes as a last resort as, to me, he seems like another kid who wants to play on the East Coast near his family, from what I've seen from him on the 24/7 shows, etc. Skjei and Miller is, to me, the best proposal on here so far, but the question is if it's enough for Chevy to want to move Trouba. Does Skjei have to be protected in the expansion draft? Miller does, I'm pretty sure.

Skjei is expansion exempt so he does not have to be protected.

 

[CaptainChef]

There's just so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll just leave it at this. The Winnipeg Jets as a franchise and an organization should strive to do the best they can with and for their players. And at times that means accommodating them when unfortunate circumstances like this come up. You don't have to like it, but if it's true that JT's father can't enter Canada, then I don't blame JT for not wanting to sign an extension to stay there - especially after it took how many years to trade Kane. I mean do you really think it's in their best interests to hang onto an unhappy Trouba? We already saw how that played out with Kane. Winnipeg should have traded him several years before, but they didn't and we all saw how that played out.

I noticed your auto-signature, fixed it up a little for you:

I've been looking for troubA... but troubA hasn't been cooperating!

 

[tbassett]

if this has been brought prior i apologize, but if Trouba is not traded and doesn't sign by Dec 1 then he is not able to play this season correct? If so could he just sign with Las Vegas in the off season? I thought there was something where they can sign other teams RFA's with no penalty this one time?

 

[Gump Hasek]

Pretty sure the WPG GM is smarter than this.

While WPG GM has been put in a tough spot, there is no doubt that he is expected to make lemonade out of lemons here. As most of know, the return will most likely not be what the Jets fans expect but it should still be a nice haul. Deal should go down close to the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday.

Pretty sure the Winnipeg GM is standing firm against the trade request and that your take on the situation is incorrect. Why should they trade him now sans his name on a contract and under his terms? Answer: they shouldn't, and likely won't.

Pretty sure the Jets GM would only trade Trouba under the Winnipeg Jets terms and timeline, not Kurt Overhardt's.

 

[tbcwpg]

There's just so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll just leave it at this. The Winnipeg Jets as a franchise and an organization should strive to do the best they can with and for their players. And at times that means accommodating them when unfortunate circumstances like this come up. You don't have to like it, but if it's true that JT's father can't enter Canada, then I don't blame JT for not wanting to sign an extension to stay there - especially after it took how many years to trade Kane. I mean do you really think it's in their best interests to hang onto an unhappy Trouba? We already saw how that played out with Kane. Winnipeg should have traded him several years before, but they didn't and we all saw how that played out.

I don't think any Jets fan really is unsatisfied with how the Kane trade played out, so using that as a negative against the option of making him wait it out.

A trade request is just that - a request. If he's demanding a trade, that won't force Chevy to do anything different.

 

[Stream*]

Skjei is expansion exempt so he does not have to be protected.

Brendan kitcheon is also except and better numbers. No need for lesser pieces.

 

[Rangers ftw]

When do you ever get full value for a player the asked for a trade and then sits out and sulks? Chevy isn't the only one that has to agree to a trade, you know.

Lindros?

 

[cobra427]

Maybe it is the truth and not window dressing. The point the jets are trying to make to Trouba is if you want ot play hockey, you need to sign with the jets. Only after he signs will they consider trade offers to the team that gives them the best deal. Trouba has been trying to control where he ends up and if he continues, he will end up sitting out the year. he is a RFA and has not earned UFA rights yet.

It could be the truth but I doubt it. All I am saying is if they are trading him one way or the other by December 1st, they would say the exact same thing to the media. Chevy is not going to say "we are trading Trouba for the highest offer between here and December 1st no matter what".

 

[JetsHomer]

When do you ever get full value for a player the asked for a trade and then sits out and sulks? Chevy isn't the only one that has to agree to a trade, you know.

When has a team ever gotten anything close to appropriate value when a player refuses to sign with multiple teams and will only accept certain teams to play on?

 

[aj8000]

When do you ever get full value for a player the asked for a trade and then sits out and sulks? Chevy isn't the only one that has to agree to a trade, you know.

LOL, this again.

Someone will eventually meet the jets request or Trouba will sign with the jets and play (this is the Jets goal btw). I guess he could choose to sit out until he turns 27. If he does that, I will have much respect for him for being a man who stands up for what he wants.

 

[aj8000]

It could be the truth but I doubt it. All I am saying is if they are trading him one way or the other by December 1st, they would say the exact same thing to the media. Chevy is not going to say "we are trading Trouba for the highest offer between here and December 1st no matter what".

First of all, there is no indication in the article that the information came from the jets. But please do not let that little fact get in the way of your speculation.

I guess we will see if you are right or not on December 1. How about you come back then and we can compare notes and save us having to deal with the same old speculation day in and day out.

BTW, I really do not care if you stay and post, I enjoy responding to all the speculation and the other fans posts amuse me.

 

[aj8000]

if this has been brought prior i apologize, but if Trouba is not traded and doesn't sign by Dec 1 then he is not able to play this season correct? If so could he just sign with Las Vegas in the off season? I thought there was something where they can sign other teams RFA's with no penalty this one time?

Only if the jets do not protect trouba, he can sign with vegas with out compensation to the jets

 

[Irishguy42]